On Saturday, I took the day off and spent it at home resting, studying for the TOEFL and the GRE and hanging out with my friends whose main subject at that day was the Baghdad Sniper.
Baghdad Sniper is a man who shoots US soldiers with his silent guns. He fires once and vanishes just like ghosts. There is never a follow-up shot, never a chance for US forces to identify him. It’s a matter of seconds. You’ll never hear it.
In my neighborhood, a new phenomenon is incredibly increasing. CDs with videos of this ghost shooting at the US soldiers in Baghdad are being sold and exchanged by young men and teenagers who are incredibly interested in that mysterious sniper. As people say, he uses silent guns in his shooting and he never missed a target.
On August 5 of last year, the Guardian published a story about the sniper. The Guardian’s Rory Carroll quoted Specialist Travis Burress, 22, a sniper with the 1-64 battalion based in
"Juba" is the nickname applied to that sniper by the
According to the CDs and internet posted videos I watched, the Baghdad Sniper waits for soldiers to dismount, or stand up in a Humvee turret, and then shoots. He has killed from 200 meters away.
Ok now, to be more frank, this sniper becomes a “hero” in my neighborhood. Yesterday, there was a group of young men gathering in an internet café watching series of his attacks on a website called, Ogrish. “He is so brave,” one young man said. “He is not a terrorist. He kills the occupiers only,” the other said with his both eyes concentrated on the computer’s monitor. Images of US soldiers being shot by that sniper was aired on Aljazeera more than once, specially in the period before I went to the
The only indication that
Warning:
This video shows the reality and horror of war and should only be viewed by a mature audience.

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«Oldest ‹Older 1 – 200 of 204 Newer› Newest»Why are you seeming to glorify this, even to the point of repeating unfounded rumors (probably spread by the insurgents themselves) like: notes left behind, never misses a shot, all these shots are the work of one brilliant, silent sniper, etc?
I'm not sure what the point of this post is, BT, but I'm disgusted with the tone of admiration I detect in your post. I sincerely hope I'm mistaken.
And, no, BT I won't click on your handily provided link to watch the deaths of U.S. soldiers. No thanks. But maybe you could invite friends over, project it on a big screen, serve popcorn and Pepsis and make a party out of it.
Erm. BT is obviously critical of the hero worship that has reached his neighbourhood now. Read a post before slinging dirt at the author. Sheesh.... I think your reaction says more about you than it does about BT.
I won't click that link either though. I don't need to see this any more than I needed to see the video footage of American soldiers in Iraq slowly shooting a dog to death on tv a couple of weeks ago. And no, I'm not comparing dogs to US soldiers, but as I am not in the habit of searching out internet sites that show any kind of killings this is all I have to compare it to as I happened to be in the same room with someone watching a report on videos some US soldiers are bringing home...
well, I dunno....
both are poor.........
It's Bush's fault....
FUCK the Zionism....
bla bla bla
Melantrys,
I've been reading BT since the beginning, which is why I was so shocked by this post.
I read the entire post. While his purpose may have been simply to show how some of his friends were impressed by these videos, I don't see any real disgust for it on BT's part. In fact, the admiring tone of his post is clear. I don't know what happened but I think he was temporarily caught up, along with his friends, in being impressed.
I stand by what I said.
This ass should be doing something useful, like shooting Al Queda or some of the so called politicians like Sadr, who are little more than warlords with an election campaign, but the bastard probably secretly worked for one or all of those groups. As one guy from Syria said recently in a post, you can blame Xionists and Bush for all the BS all you want, but in his opinion the real problem is the persistent stupidity of people in the ME of continuing to follow real murderers, instead of standing up to them and telling them enough is enough. This is just another symptom of the same blind hero worship you get when people don't *think*.
Kagehi
I totally agree with you. I thank you for understanding what I wanted the people to think of. In my opinion, this sniper is one of those who are leading the destruction in this country. And as you said, he is one of them.
Unfortunately I think Kagehi was referring to Caesar's cryptic comment which I had him explain to me as it didn't really make much sense. ;)
All he meant to say with that is that he's sick of discussing the situation and that there's bastards on both sides. Not quite to the point, but not what Kagehi thought he was saying.
See, I can't read everyone's thoughts; I had to ask Caesar what he meant. ;)
But, Lisa, really, I read BT's post and was very, very surprised by your comment then because I saw no way of interpreting it the way you did.
I am a long time reader here and a lover of Iraq. When I first read this post, I will admit I was disturbed by it. I wasn't sure what to think regarding BT's feelings. But, I do know that BT loves America, loves his freedom and holds no interest in the murder of multi-national or Iraqi soldiers. So, I did not allow it to change my feelings about BT. What the Iraqi's are dealing with is far more than any of us could ever imagine in our lives. We need to keep that in mind before making judgements. What the sniper stands for is evil and wrong and BT knows it.
I suggest you read the article right to the end before you judge BT. BT is an accomplished writer, and is using a fairly advanced technique here, talking about the beliefs on the street while using imagery and allusions to inject his own sense of disdain into it. Finally at the end of the article, BT lets his own thoughts come more to the surface: "'Juba's' existence, however, is not proven. He may not exist, or he could be a combination of many different insurgents. It is also possible that Coalition forces have killed one or more 'Jubas,' but each time a new one emerges."
And, in the last paragraph, BT talks about his own feelings about guys like this: "But my own point of view is this man and many others like him are leading the destruction of this country. They kill and only kill whether Iraqis or Americans. It doesn't matter for them now. They are powerful but someone should stop them. Iraq is no more a country. It is hard to do everything in it now. It is even hard to fight in it. These are trying to kill the happiness of getting rid of the dictator and are trying to establish a new State of Horror."
BT is a man who risks his life every day so that we can pick up our morning paper and read about what's going on in Iraq. Can you imagine what some of these same people he saw in the Internet cafe would do if they knew BT was a journalist?
Don't be too quick to judge BT... he writes the news honestly as he sees it on the ground.
BT,
If your intentions were as you said you should have made them clearer in the original post and should not have simply repeated insurgent propaganda (that may or may not be true) that glorifies the sniper.
I also think, unless that picture is of the sniper himself (which it surely is not) you shouldn't have it on your post.
The same thing was published by the Guardian, why didn't anyone of you tried to say this is disgusting?
Many of us think the Guardian is often "disgusting", particularly as it concerns America and Iraq.
one more thing, Ogrish is an American website, by the way!!
As a journalist you must realize that's completely irrelevant. There are many disgusting sites hosted by U.S. internet companies including pornography, hate, etc. Just because they're "American" or Russian or Indonesian doesn't mean anything.
Mad Canuck,
I suggest that before you judge my comments you should realize that the last two paragraphs (after the video link) were posted by BT *after* my comments were posted (and probably in response to my comments).
BT, since you're a journalist you should realize that it's good journalistic practice to clearly label when something has been updated or added after the fact.
Now, Mad Canuck, read the original post *without* those last two paragraphs, just with the link to the video as the end of the post (as I read it) and tell me if you would think differently.
I read this post prior to the additions. I still stand behind what I wrote. BT is more than one post, he is a person who's feelings are well known to many who come here. Those feelings are why I did not pass judgement when reading the original post.
Christine,
I'm not passing judgment on BT as a person because I, too, have been reading his blog for a long time. That's why this post seemed so out of character. I am passing judgment on this one post. Just because we like someone and feel we know them doesn't mean they are above criticism. I felt, and still feel, that this post is quite unfortunate and seems to glorify the killer of Americans, even if BT didn't intend that. I welcome his added comments at the end though I think the original post should have been clearer in expressing them because the way it is written does come across as admiration and glorification for the sniper's expertise and actions and I found that disturbing, as you did.
Well, I read it too before the last bit was added, and I stand by my impression that he was in no way glorifying the sniper.
Could it be that some Americans are too sensitive these days?
You know, I read this book by Stephen King once, Bag of Bones. There's some Redneck racism in it, and he never had anyone pass judgement on it, as far as I remember. Still it was obvious from the way he wrote it that he was indeed passing judgement and condemning.
The same goes for BT's original post, and I think it's a shame he felt the pressure to edit it. I never doubted the motivation behind it for a second.
"this ghost shooting at the US soldiers"
"mysterious sniper"
"he never missed a target"
"He fires only once and disapperas from his position, leaving behind no evidence of his whereabouts."
"He has killed from 200 meters away."
"The message, in Arabic, "What has been taken in blood cannot be regained except by blood. Baghdad Sniper"."
These things are all things that are unconfirmed rumors yet all glorify the skill, accuracy and mysteriousness of the "sniper" (whom we don't even know is one person). Every one of these assertions are exactly the kind of things the insurgents themselves would spread because they know it makes them look good, invincible, etc.
If you can't see, Melantrys, how BT's recitation of these things can be seen as itself being a "glorification" of the "sniper", I don't know how to explain it to you.
Hi Lisa, those same terms you listed are the same ones I was referring to as an advanced writing technique.
BT is using these terms cynically, illustrating the absurdity of some of the elements of Juba's reputation, and pointing out how overstated this guy's reputation seems on the street.
BT is using these terms cynically, illustrating the absurdity of some of the elements of Juba's reputation...
With all due respect, Mad Canuck, I think you're projecting your own perceptions onto BT's writing. I don't see the same indications of an "advanced writing technique" as you do.
Is it because I described how this damn sniper kills? Is it my fault that I said the truth?
Those are BT's words. He is describing how the sniper kills, as he sees it.
Again, I see no evidence of an "advanced writing technique". I've read BT for months and while I agree he's a fine writer, especially since English is his 2nd language, all his writing has been fairly straightforward, non-cynical and, sorry BT, not particularly "advanced" or tricky.
The sad thing is...this guy may be foreign trained...probably is. Sadaam didn't allow enough bullets in training to produce anyone this good.
You disgusting sniper may be Russian or Syrian trained.
Treasure,
Good luck on the GRE! Morbid Smile thought she saw you at registration, and so it must be true.
Thank you for writing. We know you are not like those bad people. You have spent enough time with us evil-infidel-islam-destroying-
oil-stealing-iperialist-jew-loving-
zionist-culture-erasing Americans
to know that the vast majority of Americans would be very happy if all Iraqis could live a peaceful, prosperous, and happy lives.
i'm new to bt's blog but i do remember the guardian article.
I suspect - and I can't back this up - that 'Juba' may be more of a 'brand name' than a single person. Think about it. There may be many many people sitting in windows all over with a dragonov sniper rifle, waiting to take a shot at an american. If they miss, it was just a potshot, but if they hit- 'Juba was here'. Therefore, he's everywhere at once and 'never misses'. It seems to be a logical propaganda technique for the insurgency to buy into and propagate a 'Juba-squatch' legend.
BT, why do you think Iraqis are digging the 'Juba' story? Aren't they as fed up with the violence as you are?
- RhusLancia
Lisa, even without the last two paragraphs, I don't have a problem with BTs post. I'll try to explain why.
Firstly, there's nothing wrong with respecting the capabilities of your enemy, when your enemy is worthy of such respect. A healthy respect for what your enemy can do to you, can keep you alive. Underestimating your enemy is usually a fatal mistake.
Snipers are a fact of life, in every war. The only thing that makes this man (or men) more dnagerous than what is usual, is that he is operating in an urban area with (apparrently) the sanction of the residents. 200 meters is not a difficult shot... there's nothing special about that kind of shooting ability. Virtually anybody in the US Army or US Marines can shoot that well. It's the fact that he doesn't get turned in by the locals, that he has places to hide... that's what makes him a problem. If he tried plying his trade out in the open from 200 meters, he'd be dead. But he doesn't. He's pretty smart. He's pretty good. He does pose a threat. BT has notified us of this. I have no problem with that. I do find it disturbing that young people are glamorizing his exploits... but then, we already know he has support form the community... that's why he's able to do what he does.
Thank you for adding the last 2 paragraphs to clarify your own personal opinion about it, though, BT :)
hey all,
Baghdad Treasure was trying to tell what is going in our city. i believe thats what you asked the bloggers to do again and again. right?
i dont understand why some of you were shocked by what he said. his only guilt was to convey the truth from our streets to yours. havent you heard of the over 2000 american soldiers killed in iraq since the invasion? havent you heard of the over 5000 iraqi soldiers killed and over 30000 civilians assassinated and killed? well, hello!!
Well I hope the sniper reads your blog ...
How many Iraqi will suffer because
of the slowdown in reconstruction
caused by the insurgents ???
How many "Baby Noors" will die instead of their families being
able to work openly with the Americans and be able to travel
to the airport safely without worry so the children can receive surgeries the needed.
How many open heart surgeries
are needed by Iraqis??? ... How many Iraqi will die because these people in the short term will never make it to a hospital outside Iraq ... and in the long term the insurgents are preventing
a huge upgrade to the clinics and hospitals in Iraq ...
How much further would the electricty/water/sewage
/medical/housing projects be if the funds dedicated to security could have been spent on humanitarian needs ....
every roadside bomb ... every
ambush ... every carbomb ...
EVERY SHOT BY THE SNIPER ....
will kill many innocent Iraqi ...
its that simple ... delays in peace prevent reconstruction ...
delays in reconstruction
KILL IRAQI's
The young admirers of the sniper
are VERY wrong ... he does not
"just kill the occupier".
When "the occupier" is willing to
save as many Iraqi as possible
who need medical care ... the sniper is killing them too!!!
his only guilt was to convey the truth from our streets to yours. havent you heard of the over 2000 american soldiers killed in iraq since the invasion?
Yes, we have heard of all that, 24. Speaking for myself, since I'm the one who seemed most upset by BT's post, I'm well aware of the fact that U.S. troops have been killed in Iraq. I don't have a problem with BT or anyone else pointing that out. It's not exactly a huge revelation.
My problem with what BT posted was that it wasn't simply "the truth" as you said. "The truth" is not necessarily that there is a lone sniper ("Juba") who moves mysteriously like a ghost, has killed dozens of soldiers, never misses a target and leaves behind heroic notes about "blood for blood", like some superhero in a movie. That characterization (most likely false) is what the insurgents want you and us to believe because it glorifies them. My problem was with BT's repetition of that glorification. That's all. By repeating those characterizations, and then providing a link to insurgent propaganda (and the video itself is propaganda...selectively edited and distributed by the insurgents to glorify their sniper or snipers) BT was doing the insurgents' work for them. That's what I objected to. I'm sorry if few others here see it like I do but that's how I see it.
BT,
Just continue to tell the truth. I know that is what I come here for and will keep coming back for.
Thank you.
Lisa,
I totally understand what you say. I know you think what BT did when he described what people say and linked to a website is propaganda. Now, in our blogs, if you check, you would find dozens of links you and others added to comments, which are mainly propaganda for the U.S. administrations work in Iraq. Although we totally disagree with most of these “facts” you mention, we never attacked anyone of you and never felt “disgusted of the tone of admiration” to the U.S. administration that we detect in your comments!
Let’s be cool about what we hear, and if we disagree, let’s politely prove otherwise.
which are mainly propaganda for the U.S. administrations work in Iraq. Although we totally disagree with most of these “facts” you mention, we never attacked anyone of you and never felt “disgusted of the tone of admiration” to the U.S. administration that we detect in your comments!
Frankly, that analogy is horrible. If someone posts a link to U.S. "propaganda" (maybe about reconstruction, electricity, etc) you can certainly feel it's false and say so. But there's no reason to be "disgusted" at a tone of admiration. It's not a link to someone being killed. It's a link to things that *should* be admired, though you can certainly challenge whether any of those admirable things actually happened. That's very different from providing a link to insurgent propaganda of U.S. soldiers being killed. That's something that I hope you'd agree wouldn't be "admirable", true or not. So yes, I reserve the right to be "disgusted" when I detect admiration for the killers of U.S. troops.
(And I believe I've been polite about expressing it and explaining the reasons why I feel that way.)
By the way, I don't believe I've ever posted a link in comments, to U.S. propaganda or anything else.
lisa,
What I admire or what I don’t is not to be in-the-record here. My task is to uncover what is going and what is not. You have the right to admire whatever you want, as I do. And that’s why I said “I totally understand……”
Now, I don’t think linking to a website means admiring it. Newspapers link to Saddam Hussein, Hitler, Bin Laden, war crimes, Abu Ghraib torture and sexual abuse, etc. Now, my friend, I would be shocked if I learn that they do that because they admire these actions!!!!
What BT and I and many others do is professional. We are giving you the chance to check the facts we tell. And then decide for yourselves. Now, I hope you get my point. I just wanted to tell you that to say “I'm disgusted with the tone of admiration I detect in your post,” is little harsh. I believe that you were disgusted of what the sniper does, but couldn’t explain that. Or I would like to believe that that is what you meant.
I believe that you were disgusted of what the sniper does, but couldn’t explain that.
No, 24, I meant what I said. I detected a tone of admiration in BT's post. His 2-paragraph addendum helped to alleviate that but without those 2 paragraphs he left a completely different impression.
Ok Lisa, got you. enjoy yourself being disgusted!!
Well, 24, I don't enjoy feeling that way. But I thought it was important to express how I felt as I don't think BT realized how his post may have been perceived.
I wasn't the only one who felt that way. Christine wrote:
I am a long time reader here and a lover of Iraq. When I first read this post, I will admit I was disturbed by it. I wasn't sure what to think regarding BT's feelings.
Now, she went on to say that she gave BT the benefit of the doubt because she is a long time reader of his blog and knows how he feels, regardless of the fact that this particular post disturbed her at first.
The post also disturbed me and I also understand that it seemed out of character for BT so I wasn't passing judgment on him as a person but just on this particular post.
Instead of being defensive, maybe BT and you should entertain the possibility that there may have been a valid reason why me, Christine and perhaps others would have been troubled by this post.
I continue to like BT and his blog but that doesn't mean I have to like everything he writes or bite my tongue when I disagree.
Lisa,
Please do not include me in your thought process regarding this post. I may not have stated my point clear enough but, I did not react to it the same way as you.
My point in my initial comment was that first impressions are misleading.
My first impression of the post probably lasted about 2 seconds.
This back and forth disturbs me, as it always does when I read the comments on B.T.'s site. Most of you all have never been to Iraq. You write comfortably from whatever space you are in, judging, criticizing, commenting. Most of you have never met B.T. Mad, you have. You were his host in NYC. So I pay close attention to your comments, always. He isn't glorifying anything. There are snipers in Baghdad who target Americans. I, for one, have seen it for myself and have dodged the bullets. I don't like it. B.T. doesn't like it, but it happens and there are plenty of Iraqis who glorify it. But not our B.T. For God's sake, leave him alone. Yes, he's a journalist. Yes, he has a public blog that invites comments. But put yourself in his shoes for a second. Lisa, NY, the comment about him inviting friends over and serving popcorn, that was just outright rude and obnoxious.
“These things are all things that are unconfirmed rumors yet all glorify the skill, accuracy and mysteriousness of the "sniper"”
Lisa, I am afraid you are wrong because these things are accurate and were confirmed by the US military in Iraq. Still, I stand behind what I said. These are not to glorify the sniper rather than describing his skill. If someone is skilful, it doesn’t mean he is not evil. How do you think I should describe him? These are facts and this is how I learned how to describe. These sentences that “disgusted” made me feel I was accurate enough in conveying what he is.
Believe it or not, this is what the Iraqis are talking about now. If you ask any Iraqi about him, they will tell you who he is and what he does.
You also said, “BT was doing the insurgents' work for them”. And I say, “Then you must think that Rory Carroll of the Guardian is ‘doing the insurgents’ work!” Lisa, try to be logical. Description of an insurgent doesn’t necessary mean that it is a work done for “insurgents”.
Original Jeff,
Thanks a lot. That’s true. I might meet with Morbid Smile on the test day. It is so interesting because she would be the third blogger I meet. The first was Hassan in Baghdad, the second was Mad Canuck in NYC and she might be the third. Through her blog and writing, I believe she is a very nice and educated person.
RhusLancia,
You asked me “why do you think Iraqis are digging the 'Juba' story? Aren't they as fed up with the violence as you are?”
They are really fed up with violence. Because they have nothing else to do, they keep themselves busy these days with things like that. One of them are the wide spread CDs that show how violence increases. They have nothing to do. There are no more clubs, restaurants, libraries, bars, casinos, amusement parks and so on anymore. They used to be busy with many things rather than watching what is happening in their country. That was one of the reasons I wanted people to think about. Iraq is an open uncontrolled country. You can do whatever you want. You can kill even your brother and no one will dare to take you to jail because they fear being killed the same way. I know that this truth is hurting. It is hurting for Iraqis to see their beautiful country is destroyed like this and it is hard for the Americans to see that their efforts might be in vain.
I hate to say that but the truth is people in Iraq are disappointed that the Americans were not able to maintain security as they said. Iraqis, after all, feel that they got nothing. I was insulted for saying this once upon a time on 24 steps’ blog. But that is the truth. Can you believe that the number of people who wish Saddam to come back to power is increasing? Even those who used to hate him say ‘we did not see what we are seeing everyday now’. People sleep dressed up now with their guns next to their pillows. It is worse than what happened in Lebanon. In Lebanon, you knew who the enemy was but now, you don’t. It might be the person whom you trust. It is that bad and maybe worse. If I want to write, I think I need pages and pages just to say what is happening without analyzing and giving reasons.
Christine,
Thank you for understanding me. I will continue telling the truth in Iraq as long as I am alive. Maybe one day, this blog makes a change.
BT and all,
This post appeared less than 2 days after I heard that a close childhood friend and neighbor (now a soldier) was killed in Iraq. I am willing to admit that my nerves and emotions were more raw because of that and that may be why this post, its tone and the link to propaganda footage of killings upset me so much.
BT, I respect you and your blog and I apologize if I said anything that insulted or upset you.
I continue to believe the post could have been written in a better way and I'm glad you added the last two paragraphs to reflect that.
With that, I'll leave and let others continue to discuss this because it's obvious my viewpoint is not shared here.
Lisa,
You're were absolutely justified in pointing out the problems in BT's original post on the sniper. I interpreted that post the same as you did. Since he began his updates and here on the comments page, BT has explained his position with more clarity.
Iraqis, I'm sad to say, are completely twisted in the head. Even guys like BT. Steven Vincent was expert at detailing the contradictions within the Iraqis these days, as does Shadid in "Night Draws Near." Decades of tyranny will not be shaken off in a few years.
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I have read so many U.S news articles were a U.S soldiers are praised as heroes even after they have tortured Iraqis and killed Iraqis. And military attacks praised as heroic even thought they used chemical weapons. So all of you here who were disgusted or upset about this post are you discussed of those previous actions too? If yes well then I raise my hand and salute you, if not well then you are double standard hypocritical person.
Your armies kill Iraqis and they use the argument its only bad people they kill, and we know innocent people are being killed, so there will of course be Iraqis as this sniper who will fight back because they see your army as the bad people. It’s a never ending story. So if you do not like people being killed well then stop supporting your war first before asking other people to do what you seem so unable to do.
As for you BT why are you so troubled that people will read your post as criticism of U.S actions in Iraq or read your post that Iraqis do have a right to fight back? Don’t fall into the trap where people try to make (Being against U.S foreign policy = Being against everything in that nation), because it does not. Keep out of that trap and don’t let them play the “upset card”. One can be against U.S foreign policy, one can be against U.S war crimes in Iraq and at the same time fully believe that studying in the United States is a good thing or working there is a fun thing.
Personally I think you have done a clear post. People are being killed in Iraq and you are talking about one part today. The other day I read something between 15 000 and 20 000 U.S soldiers have been injured in Iraq. It seems this is a very sensitive thing to both write and talk about and it should not if we want to talk about the truth reality from the streets in Iraq.
Nadia,
"I have read so many U.S news articles were a U.S soldiers are praised as heroes even after they have tortured Iraqis"
Well, that's interesting, Nadia. Can you point me to some news articles that described the Abu Ghraib perpetartors as "heroes" please?
"And military attacks praised as heroic even thought they used chemical weapons."
The US has not used chemical weapons in Iraq, Nadia.
"So all of you here who were disgusted or upset about this post are you discussed of those previous actions too?"
I was not disgusted by BTs post. I was disgusted by the Abu Ghraib scandal. I was also disgusted by the malicious lies told by an Italian documentary film, and repeated in the mainstream media, regarding war crimes, chrimes against humanity, and use of weapons of mass destruction in Falluja.
I am MOSTLY disgusted that you continue to repeat things that you know are untrue, just because you want to harm the United States, Nadia. You are not the only one. Iraq is not going to survive when so many Iraqis are so willing to be dishonest with themselves and with everybody else.
And please don't bring up the smoke munitions of mass destruction again. I'm not having that discussion. You know it's a lie. I know it's a lie. Come up with some new lies, please, This one has become boring.
cont... (to Nadia)
"As for you BT why are you so troubled that people will read your post as criticism of U.S actions in Iraq"
BT has criticized US actions in Iraq before, many times. However, I don't think he hates the US. I do think YOU hate the US, though, Nadia.
"or read your post that Iraqis do have a right to fight back?"
I don't recall seeing anybody saying Iraqis don't have the right to fight back.
"Don’t fall into the trap where people try to make (Being against U.S foreign policy = Being against everything in that nation), because it does not. Keep out of that trap and don’t let them play the “upset card”."
How did this become an "America bashing" opportunity, Nadia? Is that really your sole purpose for commenting on blogs? To vent your hate and anger twoards america? There are many europeans who litter blog comment sections with their anti-Americanism. Somehow, I thought you actually cared about discussing Iraq, though. I guess maybe I was wrong about that.
"One can be against U.S foreign policy, one can be against U.S war crimes in Iraq"
Even here, you couldn't say "against the US war in Iraq" - you HAD to say "against the US war *crimes* in Iraq" - are you aware of that?
"and at the same time fully believe that studying in the United States is a good thing or working there is a fun thing."
Why? You obviosuly HATE the United States, Nadia. Why would you want to be in AMerica for one second longer than you possibly had to be? Maybe it's just me, but I have no interest whatsover in visiting a country I despise, let alone LIVING there!?
"Personally I think you have done a clear post. People are being killed in Iraq and you are talking about one part today."
I'm glad he did that post, also, Nadia. It's important for Americans to see that not all Iraqis are innocent. Some of them deserve to die. And some of the ones who deserve to die are "civilians" - like this sniper. I also think it's good for Americans to see what their troops are going through. I watched several of those sniper videos on that site, and I was proud of the way those soldiers reacted while they were under fire. In one of them, the sniper(s) killed or seriously wounded one soldiers with the first shot, and continued to fire. Two soldiers exposed themselves to being shot in oreder to drag the wounded man to cover. That's the doctrinally incorrect thing to do, but even so, I admire their courage.
"The other day I read something between 15 000 and 20 000 U.S soldiers have been injured in Iraq."
You've mentioned that about half a dzoen times, that I've seen, Nadia. I suggest you look at the numbers from past US wars for context... this may not be as "good" for an America hater as it initially seems.
"It seems this is a very sensitive thing to both write and talk about and it should not if we want to talk about the truth reality from the streets in Iraq."
I look to BT and 24 for truth, Nadia. I might consider that you tell the truth, if you stop saying things that are untrue for a little while :)
But probably not. In my experience, people who continue to tell a lie even after they know it's a lie, can never be believed.
Craig;
The U.S have used Chemical Weapons in Iraq.
In the being of the war the United States used chemical weapons in South of Iraq. This was reported with quotes from U.S solders/pilots. And later even confirmed from Pentagon, however they insisted it was not Napalm it was just something similar to Napalm, a chemical weapon. I read in one Australian newspaper that Australian pilots did not take part in these attacks exactly because of these sort of weapons used. The U.S army has admitted using Chemical Weapons Phosphor in Faluja too.
As for the rest Craig, you and all others can do a search on the net or go to the Library and read newspapers you normally just flip thru. Its all there if you just give yourself time off and read it.
Greetings all. I thought I would chime in on this debate. Its sort of a microcosm of the range of views and persectives that exist on the Iraq war.
I think it is important to first of all acknowledge that Americans, including the American government and the American military, in general, want nothing but the best for the Iraqi people. Honestly, I know many, many people in the military and the government who care very deeply that Iraq becomes a stable, and prosperous nation. While I think many Americans sense and basically understand the frustration that Iraqis feel, we also feel like we are sacrificing a lot to assist Iraqis in moving forward. I mean, Americans are, at this moment, offering to bankroll the reconstruction of Iraq, to help create a modern, advanced Iraqi society. It is clear to many of us that this is the agenda. Iraqis are constantly bombarded with information from anti-American propagandists who claim that this is not the real agenda, that Americans are in Iraq to either 1) embarass Islam and Middle Eastern culture; 2) steal Iraq's natural resources. Neither of these make sense to me because there would be much easier ways to do both of these things than to go to war.
We feel that Iraqis are so caught up witdh a misguided sense of shame and anger about the "occupation" that they fail to see that we are genuinely trying to help. As an American, it is frustrating to see perceived American generosity be so utterly disrespected and spit upon by "the silent assassin" as he is affectionately referred to by some. Imagine if you were poor, and I started to build you a house, and you took a hammer to my head for my good deed. Many Americans perceive this as totally irrational and illogical. Now, Iraqis seem to believe that we are not really there to build a house, but instead to steal oil in the ground, or to embarass you because you cannot build your own house, or to somehow take advantage of you in some other way, as Iraqis are constantly being told and reminded by the anti-American propaganda.
Oh, goody. Nadia's here.
There goes the neighborhood.
Well, your blog was good while it lasted, BT, but now it's on the road to joining the other blogs destroyed by excessive moonbattery. Congrats!
Anonymous, I know many Americans that you refer too are already aware of the lies this war is based on.
Summing it up as just Anti US propaganda does not work anymore. You have failed and lost this war. So I understand why you felt the need to come up with such a comment. The biggest threat is having more people realizing all the lies they have been told. I urge all people who read this go and read more news on the net, talk to more people you normally don’t talk to, go to the library and read newspapers and magazines from other countries. Its all there for you.
I am for a free prosperous democratic Iraq. Where no one is above the law. So a good start would be to put the U.S army and all other foreign fighters under Iraqi law and then lets mover from there forward.
(I think I need to mention that I wrote this to follow Lisa's last post, before Nadia commented.)
Lisa,
I'm very sorry to hear of the recent loss of your good friend. A feeling of dread shadowed me during my nephew's deployment in Iraq. You received the message I dreaded, but didn't receive. My nephew came home unharmed. However, he's heading back to Iraq in a few weeks. Obviously, he volunteered to be a Marine. Yet, somehow it seems out of balance that he's too young to buy himself a beer in America, but old enough to risk his life in service to our country. I pray he doesn't end up as a target in the cross hairs of a sniper.
I don't think BT, or any of the people commenting here, should feel badly about anything. It was a difficult post to write and the comments reflected that, within the boundaries of a good and civil discussion. Everyone explained their perspective in a thoughtful manner and I found it to be a good exchange, especially compared to some of the comment sections I've read!
The sniper (or snipers) is accurate and well trained, posing a very real and serious threat. I hate that our soldiers have that threat in the back of their minds on every mission, just as I hated that shadow of dread lurking in my mind during my nephew's deployment. No matter how much you pray and how many positive things you say, it's almost impossible to totally push that feeling of dread out of your mind, while a loved one is in harm's way. But, you have to keep it at bay, so you can function every day.
That's the struggle I imagine BT and everyone he knows in Iraq is dealing with 24/7. The constant lack of security and certainty would make daily life hell, just as BT says. It wears on you and beats you down. I don't know how he's managing to study for anything under those conditions! Sure, you forget about it for a little while, at times. But, the shadow is always there hovering at the edge of your mind and it comes right back. I'm so sorry BT has to live that way, and try to work and study under that type of pressure and constant stress.
I've been lead to believe it's not as bad in all areas of Iraq. But, where BT is, he's telling us that's his reality and he's not seeing any light at the end of the tunnel in the near future. This isn't how it was supposed to be. I guess Americans tend to be naive. I know I was. I thought once Saddam and his regime were put down, the Iraqis would be able to unite and press on with reconstruction and democracy in relative peace. It never crossed my mind that there would be so many people with evil intentions trying to oppress them and prevent them from building a better life. I would want to take my family and friends and leave the country. The challenge they're facing must seem completely overwhelming.
Shari
Hi Nadia,
I appreciate your comments and would love to discuss the matter with you further. I spend a great deal of time sorting through various world newspapers and media sources so I don't think that is where any misunderstanding is coming from. My comments are more a product of personal experience and logic, rather than what some reporter from whichever country said.
I'm trying to get a handle on which "lies" you are referring to. I understand you like to characterize information as being either a fact or a lie, and I imagine you are actually smarter than that, and prefer, for many reasons, to paint black and white for effect.
For example, you would say the Bush administration lied about Iraq having Weapons of Mass Destruction. Given the amount of information that you claim to have sorted through, it is disingenous for you to make such a comment, because by your same logic, the Clinton administration, the UN, France, Germany, the UK, Iran, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, as well as Saddam himself, "lied" about Iraq having WMD. If it was a "lie" it was an extremely elaborate conspiracy amongst traditional rivals in pursuit of a completely illogical agenda. "Mistake" or even "Due Diligence Failure" is a much more accurate characterization than "Lie," which implies malicious intent. And I don't think that it makes everything okay either, because we should hold the US government to higher standards when it comes to going to war. Our government should not make such mistakes, even if the UN and France do.
Its just that the whole "lied" thing undermines any real criticism that the US government should be subject to. To those of us who believe in the cause to help rebuild Iraq, repeating the whole "Bush lied"
thing over and over again doesn't help anyone, including, most importantly, the people who you claim you are fighting for.
"You have failed and lost this war."
Let's see...
1) Saddam or his sons in power?-->No.
2) Saddam or his sons ever to get back into power?-->No.
3) Democratic elections?-->Yes.
4) Constitution written and approved?-->Yes.
5) Current Iraqi government likely to pursue weapons of mass destruction, or support terrorists who would acquire WMD?-->No.
6) Current Iraqi government supports terrorists?-->No.
Where is the loss?
> Unfortunately I think Kagehi was referring to Caesar's cryptic comment
> which I had him explain to me as it didn't really make much sense.
On the contrary, I intentionally didn't refer to any specific post, since I wanted to express what I thought of the situation. Yes, Caesar's comment does parody the usual BS you hear from some people. Personally, I find it incredibly sick and stupid that some people who claim to believe in liberty have chosen to find common cause with people that think liberty means, "Every one should have the right to rape and kill unbelievers, as well as stone their own wives and children, if they 'look' like they plan to do something that robs me of power over them." Bush is just the latest addition to the vast Xionist conspiricay crap that the ME has been fed for years, so that the lunitics can grab more and more power, while blaming the result on someone else. You see the same bullshit happening in the US with the rise of the, "Scientists, especially all those atheist ones, are destroying the country. Please ignore the fact that 99% of the shit that's making all you people poorer, less free, less safe and more likely to get screwed is being passed by the people blaming atheists for it." Gosh! Ok, and next week I can sew an Iranian flag and fly it over my house..
Its pretty obvious from the "bla bla bla" part of Caesar's comment that it was meant as a joke, not literal. If I was even "very" indirectly commenting on someone's post, it was the knee jerk reaction Lisa posted. But even then, it was just my view of the situation, not an attempt to correct her or anyone else.
> The U.S have used Chemical Weapons in Iraq.
They used Phosphorous as a means to light areas they where in combat with. Some have in fact used it inappropriately and one at least that I know of was warned against it, and eventually removed from command. He was using a scroched earth concept, if someone shoots me from a grain field, burn the field to the ground, so they can't do it again. A major ass. However it was *not* a general weapon intended to injure or kill anyone, anymore than you could claim 500 years ago that some people where illegally burning the enemy with fire, just because they all carried torches, and occationally some idiot tried to grab the burning end of the torch, instead of the troops beating everyone over the heads with them.
Its a bit of a catch-22. On one hand, something less hazardous would be preferred to light a dark building when entering it. On the other hand, anything less dangerous someone can pick up, put out, turn off or run away with and use against you later. Do you risk any of those things, or use something that "may" occationally throw off particles and material that burn people? The only third option is to never enter unlit buildings or fight at night, and that is impractical, if not totally stupid. Anything able to light a room and hot enough they can't just put it out is a) going to hurt people and b) qualify in the minds of a lot of people as a chemical weapon, even if its "supposed to be" and usually remains in a contained source, like a canister.
Nadia, you claim to know how to use the internet. You claim to know how to do independent research. Yet, all I see you doing is quoting from disreputble sources, making disreputable claims.
Napalm is not a chemical weapon. It *is* a partuclarly lethal incendiary weapon, and one that is generally considered to be banned for use against human beings, as a weapon of cruelty.
White Phosphorous is a smoke munition (the most common smoke munition, used everywhere in the world for over 100 years), and is not banned under ANY circumstances. period.
You have *falsely* claimed both of these are weapons of mass destruction. That claim is a lie, Nadia. No ifs ands or buts. You know that it is a lie - I have personally provided you with links that describe these munitions, their effects, and their designations.
I have also provided you with links to the actual text of international treaties that define weapons of mass destruction, chemical warfare, etc.
I'm sure many other people have ATTEMPTED to correct you on this issue. Yet, you keep repeating the lie. Deliberately. You have some audacity claiming to be the one here who is telling the truth, Nadia!
You should be thankful Americans believe in free speech! You see this uproar over danish cartoons from the moslem world?
You just accused the US of war crimes and crimes against humanity, Nadia. Falsely. If the US was like "moslem country x" - you'd be in prison for that insult. Or dead. So would the so-called journalists who repeated the false allegations that italian documentary raised. And so would that documenatry maker.
Luckily, we aren't like you. I often get offended by people excercising their freedom of expression, and I often get offended by people thinking that they need to insult everyone else and tell malicious lies about whole classes of people, in order to be credible journalists. But I'd still rather have to listen to you telling lies, Nadia, than to have you imprisoned for it. Based on the opinions I've seen you expressing, I doubt you'd afford me the same courtesy. I bet you'd like nothing better than to shut up everyone who doesn't have the same opiniuons you have. Permanently.
Wow, I am amazed at this back and forth. This is pretty ridiculous that everyone would argue on someone else's blog.
I agree that those of us who have not been to iraq have to comment with care, knowing that we cannot possibly understand what life is like there right now.
I also think this back and forth just goes to show how senseless all this violence is and that it is a battle of wills for who will give up first.
How long do you think we'll be waiting? I certainly don't think the US Army is about to back down and neither are the insurgents.
You have failed and lost this war.
Lost this war against whom? Zarqawi? Iran? Syria? Your champions the insurgents?
Nadia, I assure you the US and the Iraqis have only begun to fight.
CMAR,
"Nadia, I assure you the US and the Iraqis have only begun to fight."
Yes, but the US is in the process of withdrawing from Iraq. In a year, Iraq will be what Iraqis have been able to make of it. Nadia has only a short amount of time left to entertain herself by insulting the US troops, so give her a break. SHe says she wants a free & prosperous Iraq, and that's what I want as well, so I'm with her on that. I cannot abide her dishonesty re: America, but then again, I won't have to, much longer.
Hi B.T.
I read about the first 15 comments, then stopped.
I myself have heard of this, but I have made no posts on it, just because the bad guys are winning in the media, and I don't want to give them any mention or credit in that way. But then I'm not a journalist, you are.
The thought of Iraq falling apart is very upsetting when so many are giving their "ALL" even their lives to prevent it. I will never judge you nor anyone. "Judge not lest you be judged". You have my support.
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Now on a happy note.. I flew into Texas to see my daughter graduate, I have poated pictures! I just arrived home (WA State)... it was so nice to have a few days without all the doom and gloom of the MSM in my face. And see my precious baby, how fortunate and lucky I feel to have had this pleasure.
I continue as always in my prayers for you, and all in harms way.
It was nice to see that Jill is still alive. She is on my heart, I know she was crying in the video, but she is alive... their is hope.
Warm Regards,
Pebble
PS Your page is beautiful!
There's one man that could easily
take out Juba or all the Little Jubaettes.
And that man is Chuck Norris.
Chuck kicks Ass Big Time, and he'd
use his superior tracking skills to triangulate Juba's position.
Then he'd grab Juba by the balls gnaw off his testicles with his teeth, then hit Juba several times with scissor kicks to the head, and snap his neck back with the Norris Death Grip.
And that be the end of Juba.
This guy Chuck Norris was with the US Special Forces and the Texas Rangers after all.
programmer craig,
Yes, but the US is in the process of withdrawing from Iraq.
(sigh) I guess there's no point in debating this until next year comes around. But the Iraqis will not be on their own in a year. If there is a large withdrawl it will be because the Iraqi security forces can handle it on their own.
Since we're predicting, I predict that in a year the insurgency will not be a significant problem. The task for the US at that time will be building up an independent judiciary. In two years the task will be disarming the militias (which DO perform an important security function at this time...if you don't believe it ask yourself why Kurdistan is so secure.)
Mister Ghost,
...
once again you have left me speechless.
:D
After reading replies to me, I am pleased that I am familiar with the other part of the people in the U.S, those who worked to end the sanctions, those who know there were better ways to get Iraq forward, and those who work to hold the Bush administration accountable for their illegal war and lies. There are million of those Americas and those are the ones that I feel have good intension for us Iraqis.
I will end this comment with two things; the first one is a link to an 2001 footage of Powell and Rice declaring Iraq is not a threat. This is proof that what they later presented in the United Nation for the whole world to take part of was all lies. It’s not just something me Nadia came up with a Monday afternoon drinking tea. These are grave serious lies that proved from the beginning that they are not to be trusted not then and not now.
I once heard a man who joined Cindy Sheehan when talking about the Bush administration say something like “they are spinning so fast with their lies that they are going to screw themselves right to hell”.
The second thing is the below interview with Bremer August 2003. I call it “sacrifice Iraqis to save American’s from having fights on their streets.” Because that is EXACTLY what they are saying.
And while you are reading it remember that Iraqis had nothing to do with the 11 of September attacks against the U.S.
AMBASSADOR L. PAUL BREMER: No. Not at all. I was talking about the past, and General Abizaid was talking about the future. I completely share his assessment that we have an emerging problem. The global war on terrorism is being fought in many, many places. It started for us in a big way in New York, but you could say it's in Nairobi and Dar Es Salaam. We've seen it in Somalia. We've seen it in Saudi Arabia, and we are now seeing a large number of international terrorists coming into Iraq.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: How many?
AMBASSADOR L. PAUL BREMER: I think for the American people to understand •• well, probably several hundred, probably several hundred. And I think most Americans understand that it's better for us to fight and win this war here than to have to fight it on the streets of the United States.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: You know, you've said that before. And I want to now play something that you've said, and also President Bush and General Sanchez, along those same lines and get you to respond. Let me put it up right now.
PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH (From video): There are some who feel like the conditions are such that they can attack us there. My answer is, bring them on. We've got the force necessary to deal with the security situation.
GENERAL JOHN ABIZAID (From video): This is what I would call a terrorist magnet where American being present here in Iraq creates a target of opportunity, if you will, but this is exactly where we want to fight them. We want to fight them here, we're prepared for them, and this will prevent the American people from having to go through other attacks back in the United States.
AMBASSADOR L. PAUL BREMER: It's the kind of thing that we've seen before in so many places, and it's something that we have to beat, and I must say, I think we must now defeat it here in Iraq, better to fight it here than to fight it somewhere else like the United States.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: Now, when you look at that pattern of rhetoric, it sound almost as if you are welcoming this battle in this place as if you set some sort of deliberate trap.
AMBASSADOR L. PAUL BREMER: No, I think that's not •• we didn't seek this fight, we don't seek this fight. The fight against terrorism was declared, basically the war was declared by those murderers on the morning of September 11th, two years ago. We can't duck this fight. It's a fight against us. It's a fight against the west. END
They wanted an arena for war on terror and they selected Iraq. And from the looks of it their Mission is indeed Accomplished.
As I said before I am pleased that I am familiar with the other part of the people in the U.S, those who worked to end the sanctions and those who know there were better ways to get Iraq forward. There are million of those Americas and those are the ones that I feel have good intension for us Iraqis. These are the ones when they have read the above have said to me “I am sorry Nadia for what my country is doing to yours”.
Hi CMAR,
"(sigh) I guess there's no point in debating this until next year comes around. But the Iraqis will not be on their own in a year. If there is a large withdrawl it will be because the Iraqi security forces can handle it on their own."
That's what I meant, actually. The US military is assuming more and more of a "support" role for Iraqis forces. As time goes by, I think 9I hope) that the US forces will not even be needed in support of Iraqi forces. I think that's the withdrawal strategy.
I didn't mean to say that I thought the US would unilaterally pull out, ready or not. I'd hate to see that happen, and I don't think that it will.
Nadia,
Thanks for your comments and I appreciate that you have provided me with a link to some soundbytes of our National Security Advisor and Secretary of State. Nevertheless, they aren't very supportive of your arguments becuase they fail to demonstrate the intent of the Bush administration. The Iraqi military was, since the Persian Gulf War, contained. In that sense, there was no state military threat from Iraq, and I think everyone acknowledges this. Their military was destroyed during the first Persian Gulf war. The United States has never felt threatened by Iraq's conventional military and, if this is what you believed the US government was saying prior to the war, then you received misinformation. The US felt threatened by the prospect of an Iraqi sponsored, catastrophic 9-11 type attack, given Saddam's threatening language, his former attempts to assasinate a US president, his wars with Kuwait and Iran, his firing scud missiles into Israel during those wars, his sponsorship of Palestinian suicide bombers, his sympathy for Islamist terrorist causes, his use of WMD in the past, his reported desire to develop and advance his stagnant WMD programs, his inhumane treatment of his own populace, the way he murdered his way to power, and murdered his way into keeping himself in power. Saddam had over a decade to change his ways since the first gulf war. In an effort to garner international support for his removal, the United States focused on Iraq's former and apparent WMD programs because it seemed like the only way to convince other nations to help out. Unfortunately, numerous errors led to certain allegations not holding up to strict scrutiny, but the combined effect of all the other factors listed rendered the need for Saddam's removal, at least after 9/11, and at least to ensure America's security given his propensities. The burden was on Saddam to prove his good intentions, he failed miserably and paid the price, and the US is a safer place for it.
BT, I found your report to be balanced and informative. The purpose of any reporter is to describe their view of the world within the the realm of their owm empirical experience or reflect the credibility of whoever they interview.
The difficulty of describing any manifestation of anti-occupation reality is that you tend to fall out of favour with the pro-war american cult such as Lisa who gets entirely upset over the death of a marine yet tends to somehow deal with the deaths of thousands of Iraqi's victimized by this war! Who are as Jeffrey so pathologically revealed: "Iraqis, I'm sad to say, are completely twisted in the head. Even guys like BT."
Keep in mind this man is an educator with an entirely racist view of mankind!
my response might be who cares what the Lisa's of the world think!! Why satiate her hysteria with a qualification? Keep true to youself and your ability to share the reality on the ground without worrying about the political agenda's of worthless apologists!!
Treasure,
I picked up *the* book last night in a book store near Philadelphia. (this is a book that is near and dear to Treasure). I am only on page 3.
Is anyone else reading the book?
BT,
Thanks for responding to my question, and for writing your blog in general.
I keep seeing reports buried in the news or on blogs like yours of Iraqis standing up against especially al-Queda but also violence in particular, so I hope you're headed for more stability in the near future. Do you think the upcoming reconcilliation meeting sponsored by the Arab League will help mend some of the wounds in Iraq, or do you think it will still get worse before it gets better?
Also, when you say
"In Lebanon, you knew who the enemy was but now, you don’t. It might be the person whom you trust. It is that bad and maybe worse."
It seems odd that Iraqis would attack the Americans because of this. After all, even if you think the Americans are as bad as Nadia thinks they are, at least you know who they are and if you have concerns it may be possible to talk to an American commander about them. Do you think the "support" for the insurgency could be because of that annonimity, fear, and mistrust? In other words, you may talk about "Juba" in a cafe in somewhat positive terms because you fear someone may be listening who you'd rather not express your true feelings to?
RhusLancia,
“I keep seeing reports buried in the news or on blogs like yours of Iraqis standing up against especially al-Qaeda but also violence in particular”
I don’t think you are completely right. I knew many people in Iraq who are dying just because they fight against Al-Qaeda by tipping off the US forces or the Iraqi security forces. For example, there was a neighbor of a friend of mine, was killed after insurgents discovered he tipped off the Iraqi police of the explosives they were burying on the side of the road.
To be frank, I heard from people in Anbar province, where insurgency is the dominant power there. These people regretted providing hideouts for the insurgents. They said this fault made these insurgents become much powerful and turned against the residents because they got what they want, the hideouts. Now, they say anyone speaks or criticizes them will be killed. They kill the people under the name of resistance and they call them “traitors and infidels”. That is why most people fear standing up against them and I think this is a big problem because insurgents will not stop unless the people stop supporting them or keeping silent. The other reason is that after the Falluja battle and after most of the military operations done in the western part of the country, people lost their houses, relatives, and friends. So, most of them prefer to get revenge from the Americans and the Iraqi forces.
“Do you think the upcoming reconciliation meeting sponsored by the Arab League will help mend some of the wounds in Iraq, or do you think it will still get worse before it gets better?”
My answer would be, definitely not. If the disputed parts want to reconcile, they would have reconciliated in the first reconciliation conference that was also held in Cairo. Do you remember how Jafari and Dhari did not leave any space for discussion? I wrote a post about it [http://baghdadtreasure.blogspot.com/2005/11/shame-treasure-of-baghdads-diary.html#comments]. There is an Arabic saying that it fits what is happening in Iraq, “They agreed not to agree”.
“It seems odd that Iraqis would attack the Americans because of this.”
I think it is not odd. If you just think about the reasons, you’d find that this tension happened because of the Americans’ presence. For decades, Iraq and Iraqis did not have any sectarian disputes. The Americans are rewarding the politicians who came from exile by giving them positions in the government. All of these politicians are Sunnis and Kurds whose main aim is not to give the Sunnis any powerful positions due to what happened to them under Saddam, the Sunni. So, the sunnis on their part are trying to restore power. That is why dispute and tension marked the period after the war. now, all of these –Shiite and Sunni politicians and the Americans-proved to the whole world how this policy failed. The new democracy caused sectarian tension that is going to bring civil war instead of stability Iraqis dreamt of. And I still stand behind what I said that Iraqis are disappointed by the democracy they got. Yes, they got democracy, but what is the result of this democracy?
“In other words, you may talk about "Juba" in a cafe in somewhat positive terms because you fear someone may be listening who you'd rather not express your true feelings to?”
That’s true. That is why I said people started fearing the insurgents because they are more powerful than any other force in the country. They can kill just because they heard someone criticizing them. And believe me; no one will ever dare to do it in public. Heeheee. I don’t see any difference than what used to happen under Saddam. Before Iraqis used to fear one person, but now they fear almost everyone.
Original Jeff,
What book you are talking about? If you are talking about J’s book, it is not completely done. But you maybe you are talking about Shadid’s book!!
Anonymous,
“his former attempts to assassinate a US president, his wars with Kuwait and Iran, his firing scud missiles into Israel during those wars, his sponsorship of Palestinian suicide bombers, his sympathy for Islamist terrorist causes, his use of WMD in the past, his reported desire to develop and advance his stagnant WMD programs, his inhumane treatment of his own populace, the way he murdered his way to power, and murdered his way into keeping himself in power”
May I ask you what does the US has to do with all of this? Did he do something to hurt America? If so, give me evidence. Maybe I am misinformed. The only thing is if it was really true that he wanted to assassinate a US president. Otherwise, I think the US does not have the right to intervene because these are something that has nothing to do with America. And by the way, I am not defending Saddam. As an Iraqi I believe he was the worse dictator that ruled Iraq, and I think it is my right to say that, not the others.
“The burden was on Saddam to prove his good intentions, he failed miserably and paid the price, and the US is a safer place for it.”
Yes, the US is a safer place for it while Iraq is not. Saddam was the dictator of Iraq, not the US, dude.
CMAR ii
“Lost this war against whom? Zarqawi? Iran? Syria? Your champions the insurgents?”
All of them my, my friend. Zarqawi is more powerful-I hate to say that but that is the truth, Iran is a developed self-sufficient country that is interfering freely in Iraq’s affairs with no one stopping it, Syria is challenging the US by boosting its relation with Iran and Hezbollah against the US continuous threats, and the insurgents are also powerful in Iraq. Don’t misunderstand me and say that I am supporting all of these. I am just saying what is happening. People in the Arab world are saying that the US military will not be able to start a war in Iran or Syria because all most of the US troops are deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan and that until this moment, mission is not accomplished for them. The only they can do is to press on the Security Council to impose sanctions on both countries. If they succeeded in doing this, only the Iranian people and the Syrian people will suffer, like Iraqis suffered for 12 years and you know what will happen? The two peoples’ hatred will increase against America and the struggle between both sides will incredibly cause in starting a huge world war. Saddam and his gang did not suffer during the sanctions. It was only the Iraqi people who suffered. And by the way, this is one of the reasons why some Iraqis hate the Americans even before the invasion.
BT,
Thanks for responding to my post and pointing out that the only factor that, in your view, really reflected a threat against America was the attempted assasination of President Bush.
First, by your logic, why are France, Germany, Canada and other countries assisting with the war against Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan? After all, terrorists attacked the US, and New York City, in particular, and not any of these other countries. Thus, I don't think your argument that Saddam only demonstrated a threat to other Middle Eastern countries, and not the US holds water on this basis. In the end, the point is that the aggregate effect of ALL of Saddam's behavior and conduct led to him being both an economic and physical threat to the United States.
As you identified in your post to CMAR, sanctions did nothing but hurt the Iraqi people. Again, another reason for the war...If the US had ended sanctions, then what? Would Saddam have changed his personality and become a responsible world player? The problem is that Iraq is, naturally, a rich, powerful country. Saddam would have access to an incredible source of revenue. In no time, Saddam's Iraq would have been had a true military threat. Better to fight him while weak than while strong.
The only thing that would have prevented an inevitable conflict would be for Saddam to do a 180, like Khaddafi.
And also, there is a set of information that none of us have access to, unless we worked for the CIA or some other intelligence agency, or for the Iraq Intelligence Services, and even then, the information would have been murky. Therefore, to some degree, we have all developed opinions without all operative facts. In light of this, there are some people who feel they know the intentions of all parties anyway.
For me, based on the information I've seen and have access to, the violent removal of Saddam Hussein was necessary to prevent a much bigger war with a much more powerful Saddam down the road. Nevertheless, on an emotional level, it is much easier for me to say that from the comfort of my home in America. Therefore, I have no problem with anything you have said and I encourage you to keep looking for the truth, whoever's truth that may be.
Second, in your post to
Baghdaddy,
Let's discuss some facts shall we? The ghost Sniper story originated in 2005, not long after 6 US Marine Snipers were compromised and shot (in the head everyone of them). The result of that attack was that (3) Sniper rifles were lost into the hands of their killers. Two of these were later recovered. These were US Military weapons that had registered ballistic information just for such a contingency as this one. In the following months several US soldiers were shot in the vacinity of Ar Ramadi. The ballistic information recovered from these shots matched the ballistic information from the last missing US Sniper rifle. The Americans knew that the rifle used was one of the weapons from that killing. Another indicator was that most of the attempted shots were all hitting about 10-12 inches above their intended target. Why you ask? Because the last recorded shot on that rifle by the US Marine Sniper it belonged to was at 420 yards and the subsequent shot on the US Soldier was at a little over 200 yards. This means that the so called "expert" did not know his head from his ass as far as shooting goes. This crap continued until a sharp Investigator/Sniper figured out why this guy was consistently shooting high. The shots were all made at about 200 yards. It was very easy to figure out from where the guy (who by the way was not even from Iraq, but from Chechnya) could be shooting from. I will tell you this my friend; the little red nissan pick up truck he drove into the old glass factory outside Junction City Base in Ramadi, was not a very good cover for him to continue his poor imitation of what true Snipers are all about. His prints matched, the recovered rifle matched, and so did the .308 hole through his skull. Subsequent strikes on American soldiers were fabrications of the Chechnian's work only because we didn't cut his blasted head off on film and put it on the internet to prove his demise. Statistically the guy was not a good shot; 26 attempts and 12 confirmed hits is a poor record by any Sniper's standards. And you would be amazed as to what this guys real motivation in the first place was. His sister married an American!! And those little messages recovered at the locations of subsequent shots were not even authored by the same person or even written in the same dialect. I respect your posting and your views but if you're not aboslutely sure of what you are saying, don't. I also salute Lisa and programmer Craig who recognized the true caliber of shooter and person this guy was. And BT, "was" is a past tense form of the word. Like I say to many of my fletchlings, "May all your rounds be bullseye seekers and may we all come back alive" Perhaps you will allow this comment to be posted, perhaps not. But at least you read it. Regards.
Fletcher Christian Bowhay
USMC 8541/(ret)
BT,
My conclusion: The *current* round-up of enemies against liberty and civilization are losing.
The following is my reason for saying so:
Zarqawi is more powerful-I hate to say that but that is the truth
If Zarqawi is the most powerful foe the US faces in Iraq, then the US and Iraqis have essentially won already. I'm currently working on a post detailing the fact that everyone in the M.E. is trying desperately to dissassociate themselves from the Zarkman. He is yesterday's news. In fact, I assert that the reason for the recent up-tick in murder-suicide attacks in Afghanistan is because the jihadists are being driven from Iraq.
Iran is a developed self-sufficient country that is interfering freely in Iraq’s affairs with no one stopping it
Iran is in the middle of economic wither (it's pathetic stock market has fallen over 30% in the last year. The slide of its economy is only slowed high oil prices, but if it cuts its production..what then? President A.J. is antagonizing the Kurds, Baluchs and Tehrani citizens into unceasing protest by strengthing the authority of the Basij and IRG. His buffoonery has actually driven the EU and the UN into Bush's arms.
Syria is challenging the US by boosting its relation with Iran and Hezbollah against the US continuous threats
Assad is also on the ropes with the UN. And the Ba'athist government's relationship with Hezbollah is tainting both their reputations in Lebanon. If Syria is so secure against the US, why is it pretending to deploy troops to stop the (Ba'athist hired) jihadists from crossing its borders to Iraq? It will be Syria's own disaster if the Iraqi Shi'a Arabs ever lose patience with with the Iraqi Sunni Arabs. Syria will be the recipients of the thousands of Sunni Arab refugees.
and the insurgents are also powerful in Iraq.
Now this is the biggest, most difficult, most long-term problem problem for Iraq. It is not going to be easy convincing the Sunni Arabs that (surprise!) they are not the majority in Iraq and don't have a right to special privileges that they can defend to the death. It is not going to be easy to engender patriotism in them for the New Iraq. But it must be done.
People in the Arab world are saying that the US military will not be able to start a war in Iran or Syria because all most of the US troops are deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan
But they are wrong. This is two-dimensional thinking. If the US deploys against Iran, the main theater in the WOT will move there and away from Iraq, as it moved away from Afghanistan when Saddam was deposed. This will require fewer troops in Iraq. Which would be to Iraq's benefit actually. Not that I think the US will invade Iran any time soon. It will work the UN Sanctions process first, just as it did with Saddam. This is the natural process. It is not merely "the only thing it can do."
[Sanctions will cause] only the Iranian people and the Syrian people will suffer
You are absolutely right. I wish building a justification for doing the right thing was as easy as just doing saying "This has to be done". It is not. If the US had deposed Saddam in 1991, every Arab government in the region would have turned against her. I know you think "What do you think is happening now?" but it would have been worse then: denying the US even the deployment bases and the surreptitious support for Iraq they are providing now. And that is just the M.E. nations. The American public would have turned against the Iraq operation back then as well: before the first 100 soldiers were killed and the first $1 billion was spent.
The two peoples’ hatred will increase against America and the struggle between both sides will incredibly cause in starting a huge world war.
Actually, the Iranians I talk to wish the US would invade tomorrow. I don't think THEY would be fooled that their government would not be to blame for their suffering if sanctions were imposed. Granted these particular Iranians are neither Persian nor Shi'a and thus see the government as an oppressor, but my point is that those who would blame the US for sanctions are simply not *dependable* allies anyway in the long difficult task of remaking Iran (although we would take any ally we could get). Remaking Iraq has been a cakewalk compared to the task of remaking Iran.
I realize that the sanctions against Iraq were claimed to be a catalyst for terrorism in the 1990s. Before that it was the West Bank. Afterwards it was deposing the Taliban, then it was deposing Saddam, then it was Abu Ghraib. It is a mistake to run around trying to tamp out the latest "catalyst for terrorism and US-hatred". The terrorists and haters will always find a reason, because they WANT one.
Dropping the sanctions, giving Saddam free-reign and letting him grow ever bigger as a bulwark against "Western Imperialism" would not have improved things. That is but ONE of the reasons why deposing Saddam was preferable to either continuing the sanctions or letting him go.
runningman,
Woe!!! What a great story.
Another urban legend bites the dust. Perhaps the US military could pay an Arab newspaper to get this story out.
Treasure,
Yes, I am talking about J's book! I bought it yesterday in a Barnes and Noble bookstore near Philadelphia. I am enjoying reading about Iraq through J's eyes just as I enjoyed reading about the USA through your eyes.
Are there any disputes about facts or perceptions you wish to correct for the record before I get to them in the book? :-)
Jeff
I heared he's using a STYER sniping rifle with silencer, the range of the scope is 1000m and always he's aiming on the kneck because it is not covered.
Anonymous,
See Runningman's post above. The current existance of the Baghdad sniper is an urban legend. He's dead and has been for some time.
"Did he (Saddam) do something to hurt America? If so, give me evidence."
He sheltered:
1) Abdul Rahman Yassin, one of the 1993 World Trade Center bombers;
2) Abu Nidal, who arranged attacks that killed over 400 people, including 10 Americans,
3) Abu Abbas, who murdered American Leon Klinghoffer.
Those three examples are discussed here:
http://www.yaf.org/speakers/op-ed/murdock_terror_acts.html
Further discussion is here:
Saddam Hussein's ties to terrorists
May I ask you what does the US has to do with all of this? Did he do something to hurt America? If so, give me evidence. Maybe I am misinformed. The only thing is if it was really true that he wanted to assassinate a US president. Otherwise, I think the US does not have the right to intervene because these are something that has nothing to do with America.
The fact that he hired an assassin to kill a US president, was just the sort of M.O. that made Saddam a threat after 9-11. After 9-11, it was considered a near CERTAINTY that there would be another such attack in 12 months. There WERE surreptitious anthrax attacks that shut down the Senate and slowed the Postal service to a crawl. The concern was that Saddam would give the bio weapons that he was refusing to verify he had destroyed to one of the terrorists he was shielding and abetting. Then he could strike at the US and and claim to have nothing to do with it.
As for the US having NOTHING to do with Saddam, the US had accepted global responsibility for baby-sitting Saddam and sheilding his neighbors and, to whatever extent possible, his citizens from his predations for TWELVE YEARS. Heck, the international press gave the US partial responsibility for 9-11 because "abandoned" Afghanistan. Its is really stretching credibility to suggest that the US had *no* invested interest in Iraq even without the threat Saddam posed.
CMAR,
He can't respond because he is out of his arena. He is lost just like his information sources and cannot respond with anything even resembling intelligence when talking about this. I am surprised he didn't block my comment but it does show that he may have an ounce of honor left in his soul. And Anonymous, the rifle you are referring to is the "Steyr" not the Styer unles you are confusing wherever you got your info from with the "Stoner" Rifle put out graciously by Knight Manufacturing Arms. Bottom line the rounds that have been recovered by any of these Turbin headed myths don't match ballistically with any of these; the Stoner or the Steyr. The Chechnian I wrote about did however possess a Dragunov in .762 caliber that was also recovered in that fine automobile of his. (the Nissan pick up) The barrel was so rusty and gross I bet it wasn't fired since Chesty Puller himself was Active Duty. And there wasn't any optics (a scope) on it at all. If you would like to educate yourself you can read about it where the tire meets the road.
www.fletchersplace.blogspot.com
Fletcher Christian Bowhay
Runningman...the hookah smoking caterpillar, debunks the Baghdad Sniper theory with his own version of life and times in Iraq, six marine snipers head shot, weapons missing, ballistically traced...please carry on, a couple of vets almost wet themselves over the credibility of this dissertation...and the madhatter CMAR11, believes it which induces additional amusement and waves of hysteria...more please...please I want some more!!!
Runningman,
I'm not surprised BT didn't delete your post. He's a staunch advocate of free speech.
If you check out his earlier posts, you will see that he clearly isn't *hoping* for bad things to happen to Iraqis or Americans, nor pleased when they do. Just the opposite. I wish I could say the same everybody in the world (John and Nadia).
BT and a lot of Baghdadi bloggers, IMO experiencing a first for them however: having a candidate you have become invested in lose. Most of the bloggers supporting Allawi knew he was damaged goods, the UIA seemed sooo unacceptable to them. If you are old enough to be retired military then you know how it is when you really commit to a candidate that maybe you really weren't all that crazy about at first, and then he loses. It is stunning. Check out the how many Baghdad bloggers haven't posted since December. Their last posts so often start the same. "I'm stunned", "I feel like I've been hit with a bat", "The wind is knocked out of me". In a few months, I'm sure we'll get the old BT back in a few months if he doesn't take to heart too much of what his American coworkers say. As fellow Allawi supporter,Salam Pax, said few days ago, he doesn't have much choice but to believe Iraqis will find their way to a modern state. Same for us, I guess.
But the way, I loooved the debunking of the Baghdad blogger. I'm going to repost it at one of my blogs tomorrow afternoon. Did you already tell it at Fletcher Place or shall I just pull it from here?
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I should really stop commenting just before bed:
"debunking of the Baghdad SNIPER"
not "blogger", of course.
Anon,
"I heared he's using a STYER sniping rifle with silencer, the range of the scope is 1000m and always he's aiming on the kneck because it is not covered."
Oh, you mean the 5.56 mmm Austrian made Steyr? The one that only has an effective range of 300 meters?
That's not a sniper. That's an idiot :P
Runningman,
First of all, thanks for clarifying this to your fellow Americans.
Secondly, I want to ask you, why did you feel offended by this post? Please do not be narrow-minded and understand the post from one side only. Open your mind to see what was the main reason behind what I wrote. And who said what you are saying is true 100 percent? You might heard about it and posted it like what anonymous said the he “heard”. I think anonymous was more credible when he said he “heard”.
Anyway, let’s suppose what you have said is true. This does not change the fact that people in Baghdad are taking about him. There are videos spread in allover Baghdad, dude. And whether he is Chechnian or Iraqi, the result is one.
Hi BT
I'm not surprised American readers find your post disturbing. It is a very sensitive subject and you should have stated your personal view before you narrated the story and the bazaar talk.
I think the question raised by your story is: How may Iraqi lives are equal to one
American life?
Peace
Gopal
Mark Bahner,
Thanks a lot for enlisting these evidences. Many Iraqis have no idea about them.
But one more questions, what was the guilt of the Iraqi people?? Why did they suffer and still suffering? because America wanted to be safe?! Is it right to hurt a whole nation to make the other nation feel safe?
CMAR ii,
“He is yesterday's news.”
If so, why does this foreign terrorist continue to blow up mosques and churches and kill hundreds of Iraqis and Americans?
“Actually, the Iranians I talk to wish the US would invade tomorrow.”
Oh really? Then let them see the destruction of their country from their own fancy houses or apartments in the US and keep crying till they regret it.
BT,
If so, why does this foreign terrorist continue to blow up mosques and churches and kill hundreds of Iraqis and Americans?
I believe the question was "whether the US had *lost* to this monster". The fact is that Zarqawi has lost. He is merely playing out his end game. As I said shortly after the elections in January 2005 with optimism that has not ebbed at all since then:
"In advance, I morn and honor those Iraqis who will die this year at the hands of abaddon-minded dead-enders. But I can see now that the future of Iraq is entirely in the hands of Iraqis"
“Actually, the Iranians I talk to wish the US would invade tomorrow.”
Oh really? Then let them see the destruction of their country from their own fancy houses or apartments in the US and keep crying till they regret it.
Oh really? Then let them see the destruction of their country from their own fancy houses or apartments in the US and keep crying till they regret it.
Actually, they are in Iran and their houses aren't fancy. They live in constant fear of the Basij.
“Actually, they are in Iran and their houses aren't fancy. They live in constant fear of the Basij.”
Even though. It is better than watching millions of people face death everyday. It is better than watching their fellow Iranians live with no electricity, no water, no service, and no respect to the citizens. There are many things they should be aware of before committing such a terrible mistake.
BT,
I'm sorry if, given a choice, you would return to Iraq February 2002. I'm sorry mostly because that status quo was simply not going to be permitted. And I'm sorry, because IMO what we are seeing in Iraq now is only a sample of what would have happened if the country under Saddam was allowed to continue to fester. But we'll never know, will we?
As for your response to Runningman:
Anyway, let’s suppose what you have said is true. This does not change the fact that people in Baghdad are taking about him.
But BT, you are a journalist. No one is in a better position than you to verify or discredit Runningman's claim. Who else? Not me. I think his point was that Iraqi journalists and Arab journalists could investigate stories like this and debunk them when necessary rather than merely spreading rumors and legends (or allowing them to be spread).
The US military received a lot of criticism for paying to put stories in the Arab-language press. But why should the US military HAVE to do the jobs of Arab journalists (and the American press too) for them?
CMAR,
“But why should the US military HAVE to do the jobs of Arab journalists (and the American press too) for them?”
The US military does not have to do the jobs of the journalists because journalists should always be neutral. It’s better for the US military to do its job first and then leave. Period.
The US military does not have to do the jobs of the journalists because journalists should always be neutral. It’s better for the US military to do its job first and then leave. Period.
But if Arab journalists are spreading myths that make a heroic legend of a (now) non-existant and never heroic or very effective insurgent, don't you see how that adds to the difficulty and danger for the US military to do its job?
Isn't it likely that that is why Runningman was so offended?
Fellas, fellas, (and you too Ladies)
I wasn't offended and I firmly believe in freedom of speech. That's what I'm practicing here; my freedom to speak out and dispute or comment on what has been put forth. And John, it would not be too difficult for you or you Vet buddies to verify the death of the 6 Snipers killed on that date, it probably would not be difficult for you to verify that they were indeed shot in the head, execution style (one shot with .762 first but shot in the head post mortem too). How they got to that point would however be hard unless you were there or you have access to the investigation that was promulgated afterwards. And don't get me wrong, I was not there at the attack site and I base my comments on Commanding Officer's after action reports and investigative notes which I read at that time. After you confirm that in your minds, then ask yourself wouldn't it be logical for the US Marines and family members to wonder how the hell 6 Marine Snipers could seemingly get compromised so easily. Yes everyone wanted to know. They were actually communicating on the radio when the attack started. They let their guard down for one moment and that cost them their lives. Anyway, I welcome all comments. CMAR, Sorry I didn't post the story on my blog, not my style. I passed it on to a few other long gunners who got a good laugh out of the fact that the Jubba legend lives on. Everyone, keep on blogging.
Fletcher C. Bowhay
Riverbends site looks so different. Like what you've done with the place
Treasure,
A lot of people are comparing Iraq to Vietnam. It's not. The vietnamese never massmurdered their own people, they never deliberately destoyed their own infrasturucture, they never did ANY of the things that are happening in Iraq right now. EVen the insurgency in Vietnam (which was orders of magnitue more effective than the insurgency in Iraq) was of a completely different character.
I'm very sorry about what has happened in Iraq, and what is happening. I wish there was something I could do. But it's bever happened this way anywhere else (that I know of) and I don't think you can make an assupmtion that whatever happens in Iran is going to end up teh same way Iraq is now. It *might* - but historically, the odds are against the chaso and slaughter in Iraq happening again any time soon. Also, after see what terrorists have done to Iraq, I don't think teh Iranian population would even let that kind of "insurgency" get started in THEIR country. Nobody wants to go through what Iraq has gone through.
Treasure,
I just finished J's book tonight and coincidentally heard a one-hour interview with J and her sister J.
I had no idea the level of fear you have experienced and the many tragic events. I was so saddened to read the story of the young woman who was subsequently killed.
I was so impressed with how hard you all worked with J to cover the story. The risks you take are not small.
I found it striking how J felt after returning home. Obviously Iraq changes people in a very profound way.
Nothing really to add, just wanted to bump the comments to 100 :)
Nice comments by you, Runningman. As a former infantryman in the US Marines, I found your statements to be very credible. You know things that cannot be learned except by firsthand experience. I have no doubt that you are who you say you are. I would be interested if Baghdhad Treasure can verify or dispute the events you described.
By the way, I recall the news coverage of those Marine Snipers being killed. Thank you for filling in the blanks.
Runningman, as for common ground at least we would agree you weren't there, or no other back up apparently...so the shit about, "They were actually communicating on the radio when the attack started. They let their guard down for one moment and that cost them their lives."....
I'll just write that off as poetic licence from someone who supposes they have a rational view of the world. Possibly not all Iraqi weapons are directly attributable to the pilferring from dead marines...seems like your analysis attributes far to much credibility to a level of American intelligence that has yet to manifest itself in Iraq on any supposed level of consistency...
So like I said, the debunking of the Baghdad sniper is like any shit you've promulgated about your enlightened view of a demonized, incompetent enemy...sort of like when you call out the whore when its you who are unable to get it up!!
The failure of past American occupations has often been imbedded in overconfidence and a degredation of the country's people you strut around in, like an idiot suffering from an egotistical superior race disorder...
damned if there's not an overwhelming smell of pathos to your entirely sad rationalization for failure!!
So where are your facts, John? You've provided no information to refute what Runnerman said. Draft up your explanation of what happened if you have one - unless, of course, you don't think it will hold up to scrutiny.
لى هنا يكفي ... معاً ضد العنف والتطرف.... معاً من أجل الحوار والتمدن
Nu er det nok..
It is enough now!
Treasur of Baghdad please read and if you agree sign and sent it to as many people as possible.
wish you all best/
Nadia
Hi BT,
Sorry for the delay responding.
On 2/3/2006, circa 1:10 AM, I listed examples of Saddam Hussein's protection of terrorists who killed U.S. citizens.
You responded, "Thanks a lot for enlisting these evidences. Many Iraqis have no idea about them."
You're welcome. (See, that's what you have now that you didn't have under Saddam Hussein. :-))
You continued, "But one more questions, what was the guilt of the Iraqi people?? Why did they suffer and still suffering? because America wanted to be safe?! Is it right to hurt a whole nation to make the other nation feel safe?"
Hmmmm...rather than directly answer your questions, I'll tell you what I think. (Then, if you still want me to answer your questions, I'll try.) This is what I think:
1) Saddam Hussein ***knowingly*** sheltered multiple terrorists (at least 3) who Saddam Hussein KNEW killed multiple U.S. citizens (at least 15). But let's focus on the 6 people murdered in the first WTC attack, since that occurred on U.S. soil.
2) Since Saddam Hussein KNEW Abdul Rahman Yassin participated in the 1993 World Trade Center attack, Saddam Hussein was/is guilty of being an "accessory after the fact" to the murder of multiple U.S. citizens. (An "accessory after the fact" is someone who knowingly shields a criminal from arrest.)
3) Obviously, Saddam Hussein was not going to turn himself in, for trial and probable imprisonment in the United States.
4) Just as obviously, it's morally wrong to harm innocent men, women, and children in Iraq for a crime Saddam Hussein committed.
5) Therefore, my solution would be to offer a multi-billion-dollar reward to the Iraqi military, to turn Saddam Hussein over to U.S. troops for trial in the United States (for the crime of protecting Abdul Rahman Yassin)...and to allow the U.S. military to set up democratic elections in Iraq. The reward would be something like: $5000 for every Iraqi soldier equal to or below rank of lieutenant, $10,000 for every Iraqi soldier equal to or below the level of captain, and $30,000 for every Iraqi soldier equal to or below the rank of colonel.
6) I suggested this reward to "24 Steps to Liberty," but he basically dismissed it...I still don't know why.
7) Don't you agree that my solution (to the problem of Saddam Hussein sheltering people who committed murder in the United States) is better than the "solution" chosen by the U.S. government? (I put "solution" in quotes, because Saddam Hussein almost certainly will NOT face trial in the United States for sheltering Abdul Rahman Yassin.)
you guys, I used to love hunting, shoot some birds until I realized it was a mistake, but since watching this video I kinda like it more now, but not seeing the birds down but the morronic US troops down!! oh yeas baby, I was more clips there! good job, long live Juba! more please, lombok Indonesia
So. We have someone who is going around killing soldiers who are in Iraq. We have no evidence that he is even from Iraq. He is probably just another terrorist who is trying a different approach to win over the citizens who dislike Americans being there, but dispises those who go around taking out Iraqis whenever they attack the troops.
This man is nothing. Most people chatting in an internet cafe or hanging around in college have never been to iraq or never associated with anyone who has been over there. It's a damn good thing we are over there. We have groups that fight for animal rights, so it's about time we start fighting for human rights. Yes some people who never felt the pressure from the dictatorship might not like us being there because we are taking the power away from them, but most iraqis approve of our occupation and understand that it is necessary.
My point is, yeah this guy is killing american troops and posting clips of himself doing so. No one knows if he only kills americans, we only know the videos he released show American soldiers getting shot (and many of those hits aren't kills, he's not as skilled as we might be lead to believe, a 200 meter shot isn't far, with a scope a child could do it). We might be a little nervous that he might take some of our lives, but all soldiers understand that it's a war, and we are all ready to make that sacrifice towards freedom.
God have mercy once he screws up and gets caught if he already hasn't. He wont make any differnce in the reconstruction of Iraq, he's only sending home the Americans who care enough to help.
This guy is a part of a two man team. He has a spotter/cameraman as his partner. He is using a soviet made scope on a AK-47.He uses tracers as a ego trip to show how talented he thinks he is at shooting. Not a true believer in Islam. One shot one kill is his motive. Learned it from the americans. Probably doesn't leave the scene for a while indicates that he shoots from a safe place/house. Hasn't showed his skills yet to many people. Long traning process for this type of warfare. Feels as if he is protecting his clan/tribe. He puts himslef above other insurgents. IED are beneath him. He is a loner with the excepetion of his cameraman. Looks as himself as did the soviet snipers against the Germans in WW II. Wants to be a hero of his tribe/clan. He has a day job. Shop keeper, sells lamb, something you don't expect. May even have contact with the troops. This allows him to be more intimate with his targets. He is however young and fit with a family. THe last guy you would look for in a line up. Look for really clauosed elbowes. slim build no glasses. quiet and subsevriate to any authority at this point in the war. You won't find him showing off unless he has a weapon in his hands. Likes head shots but will take any opportunity to hit an american. The best way to catch him is a trap. He is beginning to think he can't be caught. Bait in Bagdad will bring him out but rememeber he is protected. He is Sunni Muslim. Good Luck. I will give you more information as I think of it. Got a mission of my own to co mplete tonight.
JUBAS A COWARD ALL THOSE TOWEL HEADS ARE AFRAID OF AMERICANS,THATS WHY THEM FIGHT US WITH IEDS AND SHOOT US FROM BEHIND BUILDINGS,AND DARK ALLEYS.TERROR WONT WORK WITH US AMERICANS,WE LOVE TO FIGHT,AND CAN BE JUST AS MUCH A BUTCHER AS THEY ARE.BUT WE WONT STAND THERE,WITH OUR FACES COVERED,AND STANDING OVER SOME POOR UNARMED NONE MILITARY PERSON WITH AN AK 47.DAMANDING THIS OR THAT OR WELL KILL THEM.THESE PUSSYS ARE THE LOWEST COWARDS,OF ALL.I WOULDNT EVEN WIPE DOG SHIT OFF OF MY BOOTS WITH THEM.I SERVED IN THE MARINE CORPS.TWO TOURS IN VIETNAM.67 69.AND LITTLE CHARLIE AT LEASE,TOOK US ON FACE TO FACE BEFORE THEY RUN AWAY.WE MADE MISTAKES OVER THERE TOO.AND TO TALK UP SOME CHICKEN SHIT SNIPER.KILLING OUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS,IS PUSHING IT TOO FAR.
First of all, you should never flinch from understanding your enemy. As an American, I watched the video and I was not impressed. All those shots were under 2 hundred meters and they were not clean (Thank God). This is just propaganda meant to intimidate the uninitiated. Sniping in a hostile urban environment is to be expected. I will say however that if that video is an example of their best the insurgents are in deep water.
Note* Good analysis dean.
i went to the link but couldn't find it! and by the way all you people who are bugged about someones opinion should get stuffed. if he's glorifying the matter is up to him, what the hell happened to "liberty"and freedom of speech you dumb ones.
So many people killing and hating
shouting and getting angry
and fair enough its probably all warranted
however
How do we fix this world ?
Can EVERYONE be happy?
let us know at rollingdominoes.com/rolling_dominoes_bulletin_board
ideas and opinions welcomed from all start a domino rolling cos one ting apparantely leads to another
ABC has picked this up:
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=1605053
According to this clip, Jubasquatch claims almost half of the US fatalities by gunfire as his own.
juba,s time is limited cos he will be caught or killed. u find great joy in american deaths shame on u.
Seppo's always surprise me with their stupidity.
Maybe Juba is a farmer who doesn't like the law that forces him to buy his seed from Monsanto? The same law that refuses to let him plant his own seed (seed who's origins and breeding in some cases date back to Hamurabi).
The law against using your own seeds in Iraq put upon them by the CPA would be enough to drive many people to shooting the militart enforcers of this corporate invasion.
I doubt half the Seppo's posting here have any idea of the anti-iraqi US corporate friendly laws being passed in Iraq and I am also sure that a lot of seppos would pick up a gun if only ten percent of what is happening to the Iraqis was happening to them.
Seppo is australian rhyming slang
Seppo = Septic Tank = Yank
BTW: LOL@Lisa
jeffery@10:30pm
Iraqi's i'm sad to say are completely twisted in the head
When it comes to mental illness it is a well established fact that the US is the world leader in mental illness. They actually consume so much Prozac that it is found in the groundwater and amazingly enough it is also found in 'trace' amounts in the drinking water. I think you should maybe remove the beam from your own eye first.
programmer_craig@11:12am
The US has not used chemical weapons in Iraq, Nadia.
Before I give the two following examples let me clarify that
a) White phosphorus is covered by Protocol III of the 1980 Convention on Conventional Weapons, which prohibits its use as an incendiary weapon against civilian populations or in air attacks against enemy forces in civilian areas.
b) The US - unlike 80 other countries including the UK - is not a signatory to Protocol III.
c) The US believes that when they don't sign onto something then it isn't wrong if they do it. This is what you would expect from a country who's educational systems major output is lawyers. The US is also the same country that stood alone against 182 other nations because they don't believe that people have a right to food.
“WP [i.e., white phosphorus rounds] proved to be an effective and versatile munition. We used it for screening missions at two breeches and, later in the fight, as a potent psychological weapon against the insurgents in trench lines and spider holes when we could not get effects on them with HE. We fired ‘shake and bake’ missions at the insurgents, using WP to flush them out and HE to take them out.” - Field Artillery Magazine Mar-Apr, 2005 (pages 24-30)
Download FAM Mar-Apr, 2005
"Gun up!" Millikin yelled when they finished a few seconds later, grabbing a white phosphorus round from a nearby ammo can and holding it over the tube.
"Fire!" Bogert yelled, as Millikin dropped it.
The boom kicked dust around the pit as they ran through the drill again and again, sending a mixture of burning white phosphorus and high explosives they call "shake 'n' bake" into a cluster of buildings where insurgents have been spotted all week. - North County Times. April 10, 2004
North County Times article (note: the self serving image with story)
programmer_craig@3:04am
White Phosphorous is a smoke munition (the most common smoke munition, used everywhere in the world for over 100 years), and is not banned under ANY circumstances. period.
I am bolding it in case you missed it
White phosphorus is covered by Protocol III of the 1980 Convention on Conventional Weapons, which prohibits its use as an incendiary weapon against civilian populations or in air attacks against enemy forces in civilian areas.
Why do so many of these pro-US warmonger types seem to pull their facts and international laws out of their bums. Maybe they just follow their government's example? Who really knows? What I do know Craig is that you shouldn't go calling people liars when you yourself have no idea as to whether or not what you say is true otherwise you make yourself look foolish.
programmer_craig@7:10am
Yes, but the US is in the process of withdrawing from Iraq.
You truly excel yourself don't you. Typing BS repug talking points on blogs doesn't make you a programmer. While I agree that there will be a reduction in troop numbers it will in no way be a withdrawal. Maybe you could google 'permanent US bases' and you might start to get the idea. Even the proposed CIA base in Baghdad (the largest in the world) isn't a sign of the US commitment to never leave Iraq. I really want some of your drugs (or do you just drink the tap water).
runningman@8:38pm
This comment is unsubstantiated silliness at its best. Please cite reputable sources for your claims.
cmar_ii@1:08am
Perhaps the US military could pay an Arab newspaper to get this story out.
They wouldn't dare republish this story as it would cause their credibility to be questioned and would risk giving them the same sort of global creditability as FOX & CNN enjoy.
anonymouse@3:47am
How anyone can believe that the 'true' insurgents are cowards is beyond me. Then again the poster was anonymous so he would have a handle on cowardice.
hold Bush's face in front of the video and form him to watch it. It ain't no game. Guys are being picked off one by one. Lets see him get in a flight suit and parade around like he did on the aircraft carrier. The blood of soilders is on Bush's hand.
The one thing we must all remember is that a person is losing there life. I don't care if he is Iraq or American. If a person losing there life does not bother you than you need to step back and take a look at yourself.
Seppo is australian rhyming slang
Seppo = Septic Tank = Yank
Ooooh, how cutesy! Those Australians are so damn clever?
Are we in 3rd grade?
"I'm rubber, you're glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you".
Nyah, Nyah.
Dear Nyah Nyah,
I as do many aussies call USians Seppos. It is not considered as an insult and I only clarified it as many people ask me what a seppo is in later comments.
Maybe you could fingerpaint a response that actually means anything?
I as do many aussies call USians Seppos. It is not considered as an insult.
That's a cute sidestep. Calling someone a "septic tank" is not an insult in your part of the world? It's not considered hopelessly juvenile?
Maybe I should just go around calling Aussies "poopy heads". It's not an insult and it's just about on the same intellectual plane.
You must be so proud.
(Sorry, I gave up fingerpainting, as well as silly scatological insults, many years ago)
Who calls americans seppos? do you live in the alice or what? im from melbourne (australia) and no one i have ever heard has ever called an american a seppo.
Yeah the sterotypical american isnt the brightest spark in the fire, eg survey done on dave chappell show on where in the world map iraq accually is. we all know whats going on outside the box, whats going on around the world.
The american government is run by NEW WORLD ORDER (check up on bush's history all the way to Yale Skull and bones) to the fact that american people are being fed by the media lies, eg fox news. the american media is bias towards the american people, they only want to show you what they want you to see.
Australians are just like americans, yeah we might have a different accent which sounds good but hey your accents sounds cool to. we are not all that different. there are people here who want our troops back. john howard only sent troops to iraq cause hes got his nose in bushes arse. and with that what did australia get? free trade! but with that bush has locked australia into the beginning of the globalisation of the earth.
Do you remember accually why we went to iraq? american oil supplies are running out? hussain had nukes? was it to liberate the iraqi people? hussain wanted to put prices up so bush cracked the shits? bush wanted to get back at hussain cause of what happened with his daddy?
how did the bush gov know they had weapons? does he forget who gave them to him? what ever happened to the mobile chem trucks? there were none!
the american people have been lied too
all this rubbish about the world trade centre? it was developed by the gov! the owner of the world trade centre put out a double digit billion dollar insurance policy three months before the attacks. ever watched the the buildings fall down over and over again? notice how building 7 fell straight down? the owner of building 7 instructed the fire dept to "pull it" which in demo terms to pull the building. it takes weeks of prep to pull a building. the american gov attacked itself, just like hitler did with his buildings blaming it on the jews. then what happened!
Pfft at the farce of the 911 investigation, all of the "evidence" was melted and detroyed. i thought that all evidence was to be kept. must be different in america.
hows those national id cards going? stores all your medical details and drivers details, got a microchip in it? love that google earth. if they released such good images to the public imagine how good the gov spy satilites are? spying on everyone cameras in the sky, geez you guys are paranoid. pity you have been blinded by a president who has been seen a bohemian grove where previous presidents have had their photos taken have parties and satanic rituals to their owl god. give a good look into your past and you will see that bushes grandfather was paying for the nazis. many symbols from the nazis have been merged into your sociaty without you even knowing it. money notes.. hey what about that pentagon? i remember watching that.. pity a jumbo couldnt fit in the small hole that was created at the beginning before the roof finally fell down.. and hey what about how the plane hit exactly where they were reinforcing the building to prevent attacks.. seams like a test to me... nice to know there was no one in that section..
i could go on and on...
i feel sorry for the american people having to put up with a dictator changing the consitution to his likings.
in conclusion every country should withdraw all military from iraq. your there illegally (UN said dont go)
That was hysterical, aussieguy. :-)
You've got "digital spy" nailed!
Geez after re reading my blog i kinda got off track a little. keeping in line with the blog topic, if the military wasnt in iraq, there wouldnt been a need for this senseless killings.
Lets have a think about this. if iraq was to invade america.. kill innocent women and children in miss guided attacks, roam "your" streets, keep you inside with curfew and if your seen wondering around your neighbourhood your classed as a terrorist? without a doubt i bet that every american citizen would collect arms and evict those who tread upon them.
the iraqi people are doing the same. they dont want another country to occupy their state.
and let us remember that iraq isnt just some barron wasteland, they have tv as well.
there was a news cast on the british who were confronted by a crowd of iraqi teenages throwing stones at them.. the brits charged at them and then grabbed 4 iraqi teens. a camera man is in the distance filming the whole act and getting off on it "yeah get those iraqi bastards ect ect"
that film was shown on iraqi tv.
if americans saw iraqis beating up american soilders, (if they were to invade and occupy america ect ect) then without a doubt there are going to be people who are going to retaliate.
ever played chinese whispers?
where a group of people sit around in a circle and one starts off and says something to one person and they carry it around the circle until the last person has been told what it is? how funny it is when the thing that has been said to the first person is completely different to that of what the last person has heard.
same goes for the reasons of war.
one person says one thing. another changes it to their liking and all of a sudden theres civil unrest.
eg. the "cartoons" of the muslim prophet. theres no reason to burn down buildings and blow up cars over a cartoon!
rumours are spread like wildfire, gossip is the only thing to do when your stuck inside due to occupacy.
you think they arent going to sit around and think of ways to get back at those who tread upon them?
with the world as it is now.. i sometimes wish i had a time machine, go back in time to when the word terrorist was never heard of. (1980's)
hatered is spreading.
Also to film the american solders as they are shot is pretty sadistic.
As the quote goes:
"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."
Hey Digital Spy. Ever hear the term roof**ker? Yes, we have cute little terms for you too. Oh yeah...no offense though.
Aussieguy...I won't begin to defend the intelligence of Americans as I'm well aware of the abundance of ignorant idiots in my country, however, I should note that the average Chappelle show viewer is typically a 18-20 year old college student who has just had 5 bong hits and probably couldn't tell you where Washington DC is on a map either. :)
Ok now for my comment on the actual topic of Juba.
didn't feel the author was glamorizing the sniper. Like he said, he's just reporting on what's happening in Baghdad, I say good job and thanks for providing us information and a perspective that we don't see on the "sanitized" evening news.
I wonder how many of those that were offended by the story and videos have viewed the many similar internet videos of insurgents being sniped or taken out by airstrikes? How did they feel about those videos? I'm a former Marine and the juba videos were hard for me to watch and they made me mad because I felt like those could be my buddies being shot. But the reality is this is a war and wars are about death...on both sides. Both sides will have their own heroes and villians. I read an article recently that was talking about the high number of confirmed kills that one young Marine sniper has, and they were talking about him getting a medal. See the irony?
re: Mark
I am not sure that just because someone from Melbourne hasn't heard an expression used that that should be called 'nailing me'.
I am not sure why aussieguy1983 hasn't heard the expression. Maybe he's an art student? (sorry couldn't resist) To anyone offended by the term 'seppo' grow some thicker skin or bigger balls.
Yeah,
I didn't think you would stick to your freedom of speech profile. No matter, the posts that you did let through your sensorship set the tone for my credibility. There was more than enough info for anyone to verify. BT, I'd say in addition to you, at best you have 4 persons contributing anything of value to your post. All were interesting nonetheless. Infantry salutes go out to programmer craig, anonymous, Cmar and Ms. Lisa. The finger goes out to Johnny boy along with an application to go back through boot camp, he missed something the first time. Must be 0100. Stay inside the wire John and don't comment on things you haven't tasted. You and your Vet Army buddies can go on being the Army of one you are. You ought to be ashamed of yourself for impersonating one of the finest.
Runningman Out
"Running Man Out"...of his mind....
To fight an occupying country that has illegally invaded your country is not terrorism. The UN even recognizes a persons right to do so. Any Iraqi who has the means but doesn't resist is a coward!
Any Iraqi who has the means but doesn't resist is a coward!
And so too he shall die.....
Strewth! this makes for hard reading... just descends into chaos and sadness, nitpicking pedantry. First of all let me say that seppo ain't a word but septic is an archaic slang term from when the US had many troops stationed here in the forties which led to friction between returning service personnel and the US personnel... mostly to do with competition over females(Brisbane and Melbourne riots)it is rarely used... a few bogans might and the bogan press drag it. Ignore it idiocy is universal. As for Juba, I torrented some film last week. I'd never heard of Juba. Horrorfying the whole thing the whole war and these days it reminds me so much of my youth living with Vietnam. I fear that an ill equipped Iraqi National army may go the way of ARVN. People joined because it meant pay on a regular basis. I fear that the US may pull out because of political expediency having an eye on the homefront. I never supported the invasion even though I and my ilk used to attend anti-Saddam rallies before most of you had ever heard of him. When your governments and mine supported him. I didn't click on your link to the site. I've seen their stuff and it ain't just about Iraq its just depravity for the easily entertained. Instead of bickering why don't you all think about something that may benefit the situation in Iraq... I'm ill in spirit... I'm amelia
We just need to pull out all of our troops and just bomb the fuck out of Iraq. "Iraqi Freedom" isn't worth American blood or American money.As far as "Juba" goes...Dozens of snipes don't ammount to all the filthy ragheads we sent to their vigrins.
Ma´a salaama Juba!!!
Long life for the Bagdá hero!!!
"Blood cannot be regained except by blood."
Mujahadin from Brasil
I have heard about this Juba just few days ago, so you can guess my interest in one of many American deployments around the world.
I am neither fan of Muslim jihad fighters nor Americans but have to say that I have noted so much whining from US people on this blog.
What's up guys, it's not so cool to see your dudes getting their asses kicked. I know, it's not cool, BUT this is what happens in the war. People get killed, loads of them.
This Juba is just doing what every patriot should do, kill occupators.
So, either stop whining and fight the war or get your asses back home.
The Juba sniper is a great warrior and I wish him well and may he get many kills.
Snipers are cowards. Real warriors face their opponents up close and personal. Juba is a faggot.
US army are cowards for hiding in their airplanes and behind their expensive technology...
Unlike those who kill their own people, this one you cant write of as being terrorist. He is fighting soldiers.
1/31/2006 2:39 AM Mark Bahner said...
"You have failed and lost this war."
Let's see...
1) Saddam or his sons in power?-->No.
2) Saddam or his sons ever to get back into power?-->No.
3) Democratic elections?-->Yes.
4) Constitution written and approved?-->Yes.
5) Current Iraqi government likely to pursue weapons of mass destruction, or support terrorists who would acquire WMD?-->No.
6) Current Iraqi government supports terrorists?-->No.
Where is the loss?
First, excuse me for reading not all comments...
I personally think the loss is that the amount of terrorists has increased big time since the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. Now the locals get in touch with the (as some of them think) "evil ocupators" and join terrorism groups, while they might have never been a extremely religious person or had Jihad thoughts before.
And calling sniper attacks weak, well America does it too. It's just another way of fighting your enemy. I do think that most Americans call every Iraqi insurgent weak, lame and cowardly. Why is that? Because they fight for their country?
I allways try to look things from both sides. Here in Holland we still honor the people that played a role in the resistance against the Germans back in WW2. What did they do? Well, they shot German officers, did bomb attacks and basicly did anything what Americans call weak if an Iraqi does it.
Now I know that both idealogies are totally not the same, but it does give me an other view when discussing Iraqi insurgents.
American soldiers get killed, and surely that's wrong, no doubt about that. But that's the risk when fighting a war. I don't know how the mayority of the USA think about the war in Iraq, but you shouldn't have gone there if you don't want those things to happen.
Just my point of view.
man, if the americans came and occupied my county, I'd learn how to snipe too. this juba guy seems pretty good. reminds me of that one movie.... forgot the name... it's the one about the russian sniper in WWII.
Anonymous,
That's what people do not want to understand or to be sepecific do not want to beleieve in.
@Lisa, New York: We don't watch these videos with popcorn and pepsis, dem sucks. We watch it with gibanitza and shljivovitza ;) I have seen many videos where Americans aeroplanes bomb MY country, and when it was aired on BBC, CNN and other TV stations noone said anything when killing of children and women was aired!
I just hope Juba will kill as much Americans as he can! AAnd it would be goof for Americans that they leave all countries they have occupied. Go home yankees
lol,
they call this stuff propoganda, yet ameriKKKan news is made of only propoganda...
How can democracy be brought to Iraq, when the american black people werent even allowed to vote for a president.Jeb bush, kathrine harris, DBT et al, all helped bush win a racist election. And now ameriKKKans think bush can deliver freedom!!! lol, what a joke
Juba is doing a mighty fine job...keep it up, until the occupiers leave. Mind you, american soldiers are having health related problems, so probably the depleted uranium might be killing iraqis, but will soon haunt americans, when troops come home, and pollute their own enviroment.I think more have suffered from the depleted uranium than from juba, so their killing themselves more than anything...
ying and yang, you americans cant have it all your way.
Cant wait for part2 of the video!!
Nice way posting without a name.. So, i'm from Hungary, my country had to suffer from U.S. bombings alot back in WWII. But lets see happennings this way: Situation in Iraq became something hardly to be called peaceful and worth living in, under Hussein regime. Whatever the U.S. had to do in Iraq, fact is, that if warlords would quit figthing for what they had under Hussein's regime, war would end in Iraq. Well, U.S. was mistaken when thinking warlords would ever put down weapons to change to democracy. Some people here say the baghdad sniper's work is a tremendous effort? You okay people? Fight back with killing even more humans? Killing individuals, and i'm speaking about individuals, not the U.S., who stay on street to keep up peace and balance? Did you even think for a second, what Iraq would become, if peacekeeping forces would leave? Another dictator would arise, and shit would become shit again.. What Juba does won't stop things as they happen now, but cause even more suffering. I say U.S. should have never gone there, coz' most of these people don't deserve to be treated in a democratic -for us: humanitarian- way. So keep on fighting for your warlords dumbass idiots, don't even consider to put down weapons, and make this shithole of Iraq a happy spot on Earth. Yeah, and Juba, -although i know you'll never read this- lick my ass, i would happily take you on face to face, coward punk.
If you think Juba is one guy, you're an idiot. "Juba" is a myth. I'm in Baghdad right now, in fact 30 minutes ago I was on patrol. We have taken fire and had IEDs blow up next to our vehicles but no one has been seroiusly injured. On the other hand, we have killed a few insurgants. I wish I could post some pictures of a couple of guys with RPGs and PKM machine guns laying in the street with their brains and intestines in a puddle of frothy blood beside them. We are the heros here, not "Juba". If any of you people had a clue of what you are talking about you might have a different opinion. We have seen far more local people shot and killed by car-jackers than anything else. These "heros" of yours are nothing more than common criminals who would not think twice about putting a bullet in your pathetic head. The only reason that the locals arent doing anything to stop it is they are scared, and with good reason. We come back to a moderately secure area after patrol, they have to live out there. Get a life you morons.
juba, he was just a guy who fights for his way of life we cannot understand, they dont need democracy like americans have, they need their own kind of life, people are different...
nations are different, let them live their own lifes, americans go away, dont die for someones money, money that goes to minority of rich. i am sad that youn american soldiers die there in baghdad but juba just want them to go away just as most of the others in that country want them to go away.
dont lose your lifes without meaning, every war has no meaning, especially imperialistic and economy wars like this one!
juba is killer but he kills for freedom of his kind, for us he is a killer but for them he is hero, but, he is in his own country , we are invadors!
I am from England, and I have watched these videos, i think they are bloody disgusting, this peice of shit sniper being glorified should be mutilated. Killing people whilst they eat un-armed is one thing, but shooting them eating when there are others with guns is beyond belief and he films it!!!!. Im joining the Royal Marines and im going to get him, those video's filled me with RAGE!
--- النسر يأنف ذلة الغربان ---
يتهافتون على
يتهافتون على القبور اعزةً
كتهافت الظمآن
كتهافت الظمآن على القيعان
ويعانقون الموت في وله له
كتعانق الولهان للولهان
--- الزحف ماضن رغم كل تواني ---
الله أكبر والعزة لله
Who cares what he does. It's war, what do you expect to hear about? U.S soliders die, Iraqui soldiers die. It's a brutal cycle really. You should all get over it and stop your complaing. I think he is a good sniper and not a coward. I do not agree with the killing of U.S troops, I am simply saying, that it is war, get over it, don't cry about it. I would love to see him pick off everyone of you though.
When you play with the big boys, expect to get hurt big time. This is nothing.
None of this would've happened if Bush kept his nose out of Iraq. You get what you deserve.... Occupation = slavery. Iraq will never be free as long as the U.S. has troops there.
juba is the boy!
get "juba tha sniper" t-shirts and beanies NOW. show your support for the main man juba!
www.jubathesniper.com
go on son
i'm sure you lot bot juba
juba is mint. love the headshot on the stupid yank stuffing his fat face with food.
i think "lisa new york" secretly wants juba's wand in her wet gash
as long as there is an occupation of Iraq there will be resistance. you can contemplate on wether or not it is just, but until you live under occupation you will never understand the resolve to resist.
I've been reading the comments on the sniper video, and I must say that some people need to get in touch with reality. America i a country that isn't shy for committing so called 'collatoral damage', meaning in the world of reality, killing innocent people and bystanders... like when the US was burning with revenge after the murder of so many innocent people working in the Twin Towers, so is the flame of vengange burning in the hearts of the resistance fighters when they see houses and whole families destroyed... I believe it is time to get rid of the balck and white view and adopt an overall view of this situation... I mean, what would you have done if you were an Iraqie and you see the thing the US is doing (try to imagine about Abu ghuraib, dead little girls with their skull opened, the woman detained and raped, shooting of unarmed men in mosques,destruction of mosques or churches).. you can do it for the hardlined-never-did anything-wrong-people-among you!
Ps these are the ones that are paying the price of the democracy shoved up by the government of the. The soldiers are the direct tools used in this process, so who should they fight?!
A friend of mine was stationed in Baghdad for a year. When he came back he showed us some videos of this Juba. I don't know why you all get so worked up about him, to the point of refusing to watch the videos. You can be that many soldiers are watching. At least the smart one are. "Know Thy Enemy" That what I say, since I'm going to be sent to Iraq in the near future.
Fuck Bush fuck USA fuck all christ people
seriously, fuck the usa, if you go stomping around in other countries imposing yourselves onto other cultures then you will get what is coming to you, if you join the army and go kill people than you yourself SHOULD be killed, i'm not religious in anyway but the tiny shred of divine idealism that lurks within me makes me want to pray for the deaths of the invaders.
Treasure of Bagdad
I sincerely appreciate your observation of whats happening in Irag. You sound educated and intelligent. The unfortunate realty of whats happening over there is truley awful. I cannot imagine living a condemmed life under the regime of Saddam. The truth of the matter is that there members of the old regime that want to go back to the old way of life and I believe it is those and perhaps a small contingent of misguided groups who think the occupation is wrong and will do anything to keep the "infidels" out.
The website you referenced is a brutal testament to whats happening everyday in Iraq and in my opinion every american should view these images. We live in a bubble and are never exposed to the harsh realty of other countries or regions. I support the troops 100 % but disagree with the occupation. We have too many resources ( Spec ops) to deal with enemys of the country.
My question is why does a large portion of the islamic community over there have such rage against "zionists" or any other religion for that matter. Why does it have to be "Their way or Death". That type of fanaticisim earns the liking to Hitler and will always face harsh opposition. It seems, not always, that when it is convienent to wave the book of islam when it supports violence or retaliation it is OK but if Americans or Jewish or whomever do something, ANYTHING, then it is a "Holy Jihad" or "Allah Akbar". In my religon, which is not so different than yours, I am certain that the killing of others is always bad so WHY is it done with such ease?? Are we trying to change your religion? is it because we want to give everybody a chance? I wish I truley knwe the deep rooted reason why there is so much hate?
I welcome your response.
Aaron- San Diego
Aaron from San Diego, you are a sleezeball and I wish you all the pain in the world! Because you are a type of a mulipilaiting good doer facade, a sleez in sheeps clothes... Most Moslims hate the hypocratical policies commited against them.. "Propagate but not practising" The Muslim community has been more harmed by the Zionists and has been forced up democraty against their will than the other way around. This Muslim generation raised up is more educated about the harm done to them and is not accepting no more fooling around against them, and Islam is a religion that obliges every Muslim to stand up for ones brothers,sisters and kindship and fight for it.
Juba is a national hero figthing back the invaders. God save him. He is an example of figth against evil invaders
where's our snipers? secure the area ... 10 4?
he's in the car driving around - distance probably 200-400 feet -
where's our snipers ? shoot him in the spinal cord with .50
FUCK BUSH AND ALL WHO SUPPORTS THIS MAD ASS LYING WAR CRIMINAL COWARD!
I HATE THE USA FOR ITS WEAKNESS OF BEING CONTROLLED BY THE ZIONISTS!
YOU ARE A JOKE! EVERY HARD WORKING AMERICANS TAX PAYMENT IS PROPORTIONALLY SENT TO FUND THAT ILLEGAL STATE YOU CALL ISREAL!
INFACT! ISREAL GETS MORE AID FROM THE USA THAN ALL OF STARVING AFRICA!!
OH>> AND WASNT IS SHARON WHO SAID AMERICA DOESNT TELL US WHAT TO DO WE TELL AMERICA!
NO BODY IN THE WORLD LIKE YOU OR YOUR ZIONIST MASTERS! CANT YOU GET THAT IN YOUR THICK SHIT FILLED SKULLS??????
YOU ARE A JOKE GOING ON ABOUT YOUR STUPID VALUES OF FREEDOM! LOOK AT ABU GRAHIB AND GUANTANAMO.
YOU ARE PATHETIC! THE WORLD HAS NO SYPATHY FOR YOU OR YOUR STUPID ZIONIST MASTERS WHO INCIDENTALLY ARE SMARTER THAN YOU!
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
YOU CARRY ON AND BE MANIPULATED BY YOUR JEWISH OWNED HOLYWOOD WHERE EVERY FILMS HAS SOME JEWISH PROPOGANDA! HAS ANYONE NOTICED THAT ANY FILM MADE ABOUT THE HALLOCAUST GETS LIKE A HUNDRED OSCARS!???
Dear Aaron- San Diego
Islam teaches respect for the Jews and the Christians (so called poeple of the book)..
The anti Zionism comes from the state of Israel and the double standards of the west for supportuing them.. I hate Zionists too but Islam also teaches that not every Jew is a Zionist and therefore I ask that You understand that not evey Muslim is a "terrorist".
To really answer your question you would need to look at the big picture. It is Muslim land that is invaded. Lets count a few here..
Palestaine
Afganistan
Iraq (over lies about Weapons of mass distruction just to get the oil)..
There are countless more lands under attack.
The western media has totally deomanised Islam. Please dont place judgement by watchiung CNN, FOX, BLOOMBERGH etc.. Try and read news from Aljazeera also if its not illegal to in the USA to get the other side of what is happening..
"Terrorism" doesnt happen in a Vaccuum.. there has to be reasons for it..
Also.. If Michale Jackson can get away for interfering with little kids.. as per the courts ruling in the USA.. then You can keep your democracy :)
Finaly my Jewsih brother.. please do NOT confuse Zionism with Jews.. I have no problem with REAL Jews.. But Zionists are nazi's just like any other extreemeists.
By the way.. I am a Christian Arab. :)
British Guy said...
I am from England, and I have watched these videos, i think they are bloody disgusting, this peice of shit sniper being glorified should be mutilated. Killing people whilst they eat un-armed is one thing, but shooting them eating when there are others with guns is beyond belief and he films it!!!!. Im joining the Royal Marines and im going to get him, those video's filled me with RAGE!
4/28/2006 9:20 PM
YOU ARE NOT A BRITISH GUY! YOU ARE A RED SEA PEDESTRIAN OR A SEPTIC TANK (EAST LONDON LINGO FOR JEW AND YANK). Putting the word BLOODY just dont make it sound british you fool. In britain we dont say "this peice of shit" etc etc.. You fucked up there pal!
I AM A REAL BRITISH GUY! SO SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP YOU FOOLISH BOY! WE DONT HAVE TIME FOR KEYBOARD WARRIORS SCHOOL BOYS!!
GO GO JUBBA! AT LEAST HE DONT KILL CIVILIANS AND CALL IT COLLAROTAL DAMAGE! HEY YANKY ARSES!
Old spinsters that take Ann Coulter books seriously shouldn't be allowed to make a fool of themselves publicly.
I fail to find any glorification when he tells what are the rumours about the sniper, since those are exactly what turned an ordinary shooting in a war zone into a phenomenom. Which, by the way, is not the point of the text - that would be about how people are reacting to said phenomenom.
That, dear lady, was a description. Without it you don't have much of a subject to discuss.
Hadn't you failed miserably in your writing classes you would be able to recognize it's quite not the same thing as an exposition, where the writer shows his conclusions and defend his opinion.
In his exposition, TB clearly stated that the action of this sniper isn't helping anyone. He said "People like that guy are destroying the country". Not such a hard concept to get, really.
Don't be so judgemental. You can't even read a short text and gather its meaning. If you can't process basic information, your opinions are malformed and can't carry a lot of weight anyway. It takes some competence to judge other people you know.
That said, I'd pick up a dragunov and shoot the shit out of any alien soldier occupying my country, too.
Not everyone can live in safety, luxury, comfort and ignorance while others are being shot at out there. Some people have to stand up and fight.
The fact that Juba targets only the military makes him a warrior. He is doing a really good job as a sniper, harrassing and intimidating the enemy. Americans shouldn't get upset by the video because it is war, and both sides have a story to tell. That is reality.
Juba doesn't target kids or civilians, he wars against the invaders of his nation, professional military people who should know and respect the danger of fighting in someone elses country, or have all of you forgotten Viet Nam? That was an illegal war as well, begun on false pretences killing over 3 million people.
How many civilians have died as a result of Bush's war? How can you possibly expect them not to fight back? How dumb can you be?
If you choose to invade my country eventually, my sons and I would do the same as Juba. You would do the same to protect your country.
We are all humans and the motivation to defend is always stronger than the motivation to attack. America has shot its load, and now it just wants to lie back and cuddle only to realise it's fucked a porcupine.
We're not ALL Americans yet y'know!
I say that the Iraqi resistance should kill as many American solidiers as they possibly can. They deserve to be send home into pieces sealed in body bags.
Just the other day American soldiers raped a woman and killed her along with her famliy and then burnt her. Isn't it more fitting than killing these pieces of shit? I swear to everybody in the world, America will regret starting this conflict and killing so many innocent people. It is just unbelieveble to think people are proclaiming this war as a war on terror, yet they forget to mention american soldiers in Iraq commit acts of terror themselfs. These are just a few attracoties the that have been able to reach the world. How many didn't make the news headlines?
i live in Northen Ireland a country that is occupied by another country. Listen any iraqi citizens we fought the british then ourselves and we had our own famous sniper and i tell you the longer your people fight the longer the americans stay
if the americans and the british and the other nations left iraq don't think that the violence in iraq will stop it will get worse as sectarianist attacks will happen this is coming from a person who is living in this situation because catholics and protestants stopped fighting and guess what happened a british division has left northern ireland and only a very small number are troops are left p.s our sniper was like juba but the shot a teenage girl and he had 30 years expierence so that will happen to juba u wait
Ma`a salaama Juba!
Keep shooting american soldiers!!!
All third world supports you!!!
long live juba the mudjahedeen allahu akbar
hopfully they catch this guy.
Um, some of us got together and had a beer and watched these videos, unfortunately we don't have the big screen tv lisa recommends.
I think imperialist troops should be shot, because in the end it saves lives by ending the illegal occupation. If foreign troops occupied my country I would try to kill them too.
3/29/2006 4:04 PM Anonymous said...
We just need to pull out all of our troops and just bomb the fuck out of Iraq. "Iraqi Freedom" isn't worth American blood or American money.As far as "Juba" goes...Dozens of snipes don't ammount to all the filthy ragheads we sent to their vigrins.
You ignorant, retarded fuckwit. Saddam has been captured and a new government is in place, but you American assholes still want to bury the country in rubble. War is the only language you fascist motherfuckers understand. I hope Juba shoots every one of the illegal occupying force right in the fucking face so their grieving families see just what their tax dollars are supporting. Fuck you and your warmongering president. The world knows who the real enemy is, and it ain't no fuckin' "rag head".
it is very obious that juba is not a single sniper. actually if you look closely, he shoots and pics up a video camera. making him easier to catch.
some shots only wound, some shots are dead right. oviusly a cult and not a single sniper.
Keep up the good work, BT. I enjoy your writing and think that you do your best to keep an unbiased view of situations.
Oh Please stop! for everyone's sake...Juba is real, his one guy and his a badd ass sniper! Yes i said it his good! Im sick of all thse people making up conspiricies about everything e.g. twin towers, titanic, Al Qaeda. etc. Just Face the F**king Facts!!! And before any you say anything about me worshiping I DNT! Before you write anything in any forum you should get both sides of the story!!!!! There'z shit out there that happens that you guyz will never here about but i bet if you do here your goin to make an conspiracy about it!!!!! lets think for a second on what other shit happens out there...how many innocent iraqiz die everyday around 300!!!!!!! How many women are getting raped? how many unborn babies are being ripped out there mothers wombs and are being used as targets? I could go on but its SICKENING!!!! theres even videos on it!!!! and im not sayin this is done by just American soilders but what i am saying is....
FUCK BUSH!!!!!
FUCK BLAIR!!!!!
FUCK ZIONISTS!!!!!
AND IF ANYONES GOT A PROMBLEM WITH ME THEN FUCK YOU TO!!!!!
i just wish that i could bring back everyone who died in this war(iraqi children,mother,fathers.sisters,brothersetc) and the war never happened and everyone can live in peace stop fighting and realise we are all human and want the samethings- i dont like the fraise god bless america becasue why should god only bless on place and one people so ill jsut say "god bless the world"
Look guys to all those angry at juba i really think u shouold look,pause and stop for a momment and really annalize the videos. this juba guy seems to be standing all alone for periods of times just waiting for an american troop to enter his scope. and when a troop does they seem to be ignoring him or not or dead right have their back to him. i think juba is really a nice guy just out looking for some friends. Maybe if u guys didnt ignore him so much and give him the cold shoulder he wouldnt get all socio pathic on ur ass. next time juba comes along just say hi im so and so and introduce yourself."communication" people its the key to stop all unconfortable circumstances
I hope that there are a lot more such talents as Juba - truly patriotic to the bone to his country.
I wish only the most painful death to all thos hamburger-eaters, no-brainers americans.
k thx.
First off, "up to 200 meters" is not an impressive shot. 1,200+ meters is the world record sniper shot right now, held by a US Army sniper in Iraq:
http://www.washtimes.com/world/20060115-111618-6393r.htm
The US Marines would argue with this, as there are rumors of even longer shots by more than one Marine sniper. The tactics employed by terrorists in the few standing battles in Iraq show that they are terrified by American snipers and go well out of their way to avoid them.
Now - the difference here is, you probably haven't heard of these American feats of marksmanship. There is no hero worship in the western media of these soldiers and Marines, and among the military these men are seen as people who do their job. Hate-mongering terrorists, on the other hand, clearly draw pleasure from the exploits of this cowardly, barely-compentent "Juba" character.
This episode only goes to show, yet again, the difference between us and them. In a nutshell, they revel in bloodshed and violence. Americans will leave Iraq soon enough, and will leave behind a democratic Iraq. Terrorists will only have bloodshed and mindless violence in their wake.
There is a theme here that I'm compelled to point out. One after another of the posts here is full of vitriol, blatant hate and oft-repeated slogans about Americans (i.e. "burger-eaters") and Iraq (i.e. "illegal war").
Many of these same posts talk about how Americans are "manipulated by their media".
Ironic, to say the least.
Juba is my herooooo....
HI EVERY ONE,
SINCE US TROOPES CAME INTO BAGHDAD
660000 IRAQI WERE KILLED (2.5% OF IRAQI POPULATION).
JUBA KILLS FORIGEN TROOPES IN HIS COUNTRY. BY ALL MEANS HE IS A HERO .
PLEASE ASK MR. BUSH TO WITHDROW HIS FORCER FROM IRAQ TO STOP KILLING OF USIANS AND IRAQIS.
THIS IS HIS FAULT NO NUCLEAR WEAPOS NO OTHER LIES.
hi all burger-eaters
somone ask about part 2 ok......
Here is the second episode of Baghdad Sniper Filmography (Juba 2 )
This footage presents just a small part of the sniping operations occurred in this year,Juba killed 668 U.S soldiers with his [Dragunov] Sniper Rifle .
http://ia331310.us.archive.org/0/items/uyhtteed/1.rmvb
enjoy
Why are people critical of Juba?
Is it a crime to resist occupation? should the Iraqi people just roll over and accept the US forces, the same forces that are killing iraqis indiscriminately (23 oct 06 - 4 iraqi firefighers killed AFTER they where pulled over by US troops- US troops mistook them for Insurgents!!).
The hypocrites who decry Juba are silent when the US Army shows videos of 'Precision' bombing, dont they know that dropping 2000 pounds of explosives hurts people, nor do they say anything when the news channels show phosphorous bombs being dropped on fallujah, do they even know what kind of inuries it causes- It burns flesh on contact and cannot be doused by water, for heavens sake they where thousands of civilians in fallujah and the americans stilled bombed. Go on Youtube and see the videos posted by US soldiers, you can see them using overwhelming force in the general direction of incoming fire not caring for civilians who may be caught up in the firefights.
But the death of Iraqis does not matter, because they are RAG-HEADS, CAMEL-JOCKEYS, FILTHY ARABS. They are not human because they are not white they re ignorant because becasue they dont speak english. Every single American Soldier killed is given a formal military funeral and remembered on a myriad of websites, your average dead Iraqi does not even make the news, its always 10 or 20 killed, the lives of iraqis is so cheap that when they die they dont even have the dignity of a number ("We dont do body counts " Gen.Tommy Franks).
I watched these little "snips" of video that this coward has released showing the unwarranted killing of US soldiers. If you notice, the "coward" always shoots while the soldier is either distracted or turned with their backs to him. He is a cold blooded murderer and I hope someone will blow his brains out and be quick about it.
Lisa was right. I totally agree with her. In the original post there was some admiration towards Juba.
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There is never a follow-up shot, never a chance for US forces to identify him. It’s a matter of seconds. You’ll never hear it.
/.........../
He fires only once and disapperas from his position, leaving behind no evidence of his whereabouts.".
As Lisa writes the 2 paragraphs in wich the horror of war is commented.
Anyway..., against brave Juba there is the mahdi army that is equally if not more brutal. Iraq is rife with violence.The first ones to suffer are the iraqis themselves.
dWell, he is killing the people who invaded his country.
The problem with the most American people that they do not admit they are wrong, and they believe that they are good people and the rest of the people from different countries are evils.
If an American soldier killing Iraqis, they will say, “ look this is an American hero who want to protect his country, and build democracy overseas. But no one can say that he is just a killer machine getting good money for that; he is not working for free (he is getting a lot of money.)
It is the hypocrisy in the American Democracy system.
The people in Iraq are people like the American, so respect that, and do not say that we are American number one, and we are the good people.
dWell, he is killing the people who invaded his country.
The problem with the most American people that they do not admit they are wrong, and they believe that they are good people and the rest of the people from different countries are evils.
If an American soldier killing Iraqis, they will say, “ look this is an American hero who want to protect his country, and build democracy overseas. But no one can say that he is just a killer machine getting good money for that; he is not working for free (he is getting a lot of money.)
It is the hypocrisy in the American Democracy system.
The people in Iraq are people like the American, so respect that, and do not say that we are American number one, and we are the good people.
Saw a video of a whole battalion of professional Snipers solely trained to kill US troops in Iraq... guess we will soon get a whole weekly series after part two is released :D
Looks like this traitor BT is growing a brain.
Just think about it americans, if this PRO BUSh anti-resistance scumbag whom loved you so much is changing his mind.
Just think how badly you are losing in iraq. Just think how mich iraq despises you and your occupation.
BT.
You claim to be a young journalist but all i see is a bloody secterian frothing at the mouth. I read your post about your new neighbores and you seem filled with nothing but racism against the people of al anabar. Do you ever think for a momment why so many of them are moving to baghdad? Perhaps it is because your american friends demolished much of their city, you unthinking cold inhuman monster.
You talk about the resistance of fallujah with no knoweledge at all, some of those heros died defending their families their neihborehoods. If your new neighbore is truly one of those heros, you should be proud.
Let me just tell you, that treason will not be forgotten. So if your going to wake up to yourself you better do it soon.
"What has been taken in blood cannot be regained except by blood. Baghdad Sniper".
Long Live JUBA.
Who gives a fuck about a few american soldiers, or any countrie's soldiers who are being sniped, as long as they are being killed by a bullet...?
they went there get some bullets, I don't see anything surprising.
What makes you think that american lives are more valuable than others?
Every rightly slained US soldier's coffin is a stepping stone for the Iraqi people towards regaining their dignity and freedom.
USans, you'll be kicked out of the whole Middle East once and for all. Iraq is your self-inflicted disaster, but of a magnitude greater than Vietnam on every respect (military, political, diplomatical, economical, cultural). You offer now to the world the sight of a demented and enraged nation, ultimately powerless and irrelevent. The self-proclaimed mightiest army on earth (50% of the world military expenses) is totally bogged down and increasingly defeated in a third world country, thanks to a few thousands of ragtag insurgents, with very minimal backing from outside...(besides, they are mainly fighting each other!)
The US is getting at last the just reward of its genocidal - immensely criminal - agression (about 660 000 innocent Iraqis killed by now). Just a beginning for sure. The perfect storm is gathering ; merikkkan imperialism is over...
to lisa and company
i AM SHOCKED BY YOUR HYPOCRISY AND UR HEART BEING FULL OF HATRED. YOU ARE SHOCKED BY THE KILLING OF YOUR FELLOW AMERICAN SOILDERS. WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN IRAQ IN THE FUCKING 1ST PLACE. YOU HAVE TOTALLY RUINED A BEAUITFUL COUNTRY, KILLED NEARLY HALF A MILLION IRAQIS, DESTROYED BEAUTY, YOUTH AND MORALE. U.S SOILDERS KILL AND BUTCHER FAMILIES, TORTURE IRAQIS, RAPE WOMEN AND TEENAGE GIRLS( ALL HAVE BEEN DOCUMENTED AND THE WORLD HAS SEEN IT BUT APART FROM YOU AMERICANS HWO APARANTLY LIVE IN A DEMOXCRATIC COUNTRY BUT YOUR EVIL GOVERNMENT WILL NOT SHOW YOU THE REALITY IN IRAQ). THE SNIPER IS A LOCAL IRAQI AND WHO IS DOING WHAT EVERY LOCAL NATIONAL HAS A RIGHT TO DO. FEFEND HIS COUNTRY, FAMILY, FRIENDS, AND HONOUR FROM INVADERS AND AGGRESSORS AND EVIL INVADERS, IE. THE U.S SOILDERS AND U.S PEOPLE.ITS HWTA THE ENGLISH DID TO DEFEND THEMSELVES AGAINST THE GERMANS, ITS WHAT EVERY CICTIZEN DOES WHEN YOU ARE ATTACKED AND INVADED. THE SNIPER REPRESENTS HONOUR, DIGNITY, REBELLION AND COURAGE AGAINST EVIL U.S AND THE U.S INVADERS AND WAR MONGERS.I DID NOT SEE A COMMENT FROM LISA AND HER HYPOCITE FRIEND BLOGGERS REGARDING THE DEATHS OF IRAQI WOMEN AND CHILDREN WHO AREMURDERED AND BUTCHERED BY U.S TANKS, GUNS, SNIPER MEN, MISSILES AND ROCKETS BUT SHE DOES NOT WANT TO SEE U.S SOILDERS GETTING WHAT THEY DESERVED. ASK YOUR SELF WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING IN IRAQ.AND YES PEOPLE IN EUROPE ARE PAYING MONEY TO SEE THIS VIDEO AND ARE WATCHING IT ON SATURDAY NIGHT WITH DRINKS AND WITH FAMILY.
CHRIS. LONDON, UK
At least the baghdad sniper is killing evil u.s soilders not civilians. unlike the u.s military who are killing women, children and innocent people because they are full of hatred and spite and arrogance. pure evil. they rape women and children and bomb buildings in iraq with families and children and the old in them. has any one seen the video of an american soilder picking up a child and using him as a shield against freedom fighters when his unit is attacked. the fucking evil nasty coward american. see below for the video.check this out.... "http://www.vidiac.com/video/579A2E1E-2BB7-49A9-9B42-B65C1FF171DB.htm" SICK EVIL NASTY COWARDLY AMERICANS !!!
they u.s soilders in iraq who are killing iraqis and doing sick things in iraq deserve every thing. i say there should be more snipers in iraq and all U.S SOILDERS should be sent back in body bags.
LISA , NEW YORK (SHUD BE JEW YORK)
What do u say about the video showing an evil nasty american soilder using an innocent sweet child as a shield against his unit from iraqi freedom fighters. u not gona comment. why dont yoy watch this video and see for your self what you n ur country men really stand for and how evil n nasty ulot r really. kris
this is all americans fault. who told you to fight on behalf of the JEWS. american soildersd dying rightfully in iraq whilst jews in israel and the u.s laugh and plan there next war in iran. how dumb can you americans get !!!! go juba. ur the man !!!!!!
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