My friend and fellow blogger, Brian Conley, has been arrested by the Chinese government in Beijing, the Committee to Protect Bloggers said on its website. Brian, the founder of Alive in Baghdad, was arrested while documenting the activities of New York artist James Powderly, who seems was planning a Tibet-themed event at the Olympics.
From this forum, I call on the free people in the word to raise their voice and demand the release of our friend whose media and blogging projects made a huge impact on raising the awareness in the world.
Update: (Thanks, Khalid)
In a email sent to Brian's friends and supporters, Brian's wife reported the following:
We just got word that Brian and friends are on a plane to Los Angeles, arriving Monday morning. He was released with 7 other US citizen detainees: Jeff Goldin, Tom Grant, Mike Liss, James Powderly, Jeff Rae, John Watterberg and Jeremy Wells.
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BT, from your committe to protect bloggers link
Brian and the crew have been sentenced to 10 days in detention.
let's just hope the chinese government was on a limited time plan to prevent disruption at the olympics.
i read something this morning about iraq's history i wanted to share w/everyone. something you probably already knew BT, but i sure didn't.
i was checking out the different concepts (negative vs positive) of liberty @ wiki
Liberty and political thought
The first known use of the word freedom in a political context dates back to the 24th century BC, in a text describing the restoration of social and economic liberty in Lagash, a Sumerian city-state. Urukagina, the king of Lagash, established the first known legal code to protect citizens from the rich and powerful. Known as a great reformer, Urukagina established laws that forbade compelling the sale of property and required the charges against the accused to be stated before any man accused of a crime could be punished. This is the first known example of any form of due process in the history of humanity.
speaking of protesters did you hear about DNC PD Bulletin: People With City Maps Could Be Planning Violence
The ACLU has obtained a leaked copy of a Denver Police Department bulletin which advises officers that violent protesters at the upcoming Democratic National Convention may be identified from their use of hand held radios, bikes, maps and "camping information."
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The bulletin suggests that visitors with "camping information" should be considered violent protesters, specifically:
"information concerning the camping, boarding or housing of potential violent protesters that have rented campaign spaces, rented farms or land for the time period around the DNC."
Visitors with "Large numbers of city maps" are also considered suspicious because maps are "frequently used by violent protester [sic] to plan direct actions against conventioneers." according to the instructions.
This information comes in the wake of last week's discovery of a huge warehouse holding facility in Denver, consisting of steel cages topped with barbed wire, ready to receive thousands of protesters.
On seeing footage of the facility one local political organizer told the crew it resembled a "concentration camp", while another described it as a "meat processing plant". The facility has already been dubbed "Gitmo On The Platte".
scroll for the video from Denver's CBS 4 News of the facilities.
quoting the newscasters 'the sheriff's department will not discuss the facilities at this time. the plans were, to keep this place a secret, at least for now'
sheesh!
What I didn't know was that there was such a thing as Iraq in 25th century BC, ANNIE. Your reference says it's talking about Sumeria, but what do I know? Are you of the belief that the people of Iraq can be credited or in any way connected to the innovations of a Sumerian ruler 4500 years ago? You do know what happened to the Sumerian civilization, don't you? Does living on a geographic region entitle you to the credit due those who lived on the same land thousands of years previous? Please do tell us of the contributions to civilization that can be credited to the Iraqi people thus far? I see great, thus far wasted potential, but little to nothing for which credit is due thus far, but maybe I missed something.
Good luck on the Chinese oppression issue. I noticed how Annie is rationalizing the Chicoms actions, while condemning the wise preparations for the potentially feces throwing, glass breaking stinking hordes among to be found among the less repulsive, but she will no doubt champion if they need to be brought to justice for their 'protesting'.
Are you of the belief that the people of Iraq can be credited or in any way connected to the innovations of a Sumerian ruler 4500 years ago?
relax derd, you're coming across as a paranoid whiner. btw so good of you to defend the rights of governments (US/China) to round up protesters and keep them in pens. how did i know you would step into that trap? let me count the ways.
hello there:) i just recieved this email:)
From: Brian Conley Update brian.conley.update2@gmail.com
Date: Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 4:54 PM
Subject: Update #4: THEY ARE COMING HOME!!!
To: Brian Conley Update brian.conley.update@gmail.com
Hello all,
We just got word that Brian and friends are on a plane to Los Angeles, arriving Monday morning. He was released with 7 other US citizen detainees: Jeff Goldin, Tom Grant, Mike Liss, James Powderly, Jeff Rae, John Watterberg and Jeremy Wells.
They have been released 6 days early, largely (we believe) because of political pressure and media attention that forced the US Embassy to take action.
The fate of the other 2 international detainees, Florian Norbu Gyanatshang a Tibetan with German citizenship, and Mandie McKeown from Britain, is not clear. Please feel free to call their respective embassies and urge their immediate release. For more info on phone numbers and other action steps, see the Free Tibet 2008 website.
There are other important steps we can take to make sure that their detention gets the international attention it deserves and that the underlying cause -- freedom for the people of Tibet -- is advanced. We can keep putting pressure on media to tell the real story of the Olympics in China. We can continue to raise awareness about the oppression and violence in Tibet. We can work to support independent media, so we actually get to hear these stories.
Please see below for Update #3, which I sent out, bleary-eyed, to only about half of you last night. It has some more info about advocacy, and one brief reflection from me about the situation.
And don't forget about the solidarity actions in NYC today. Now they should be extra fun!
Take care,
Eowyn (Brian Conley's wife)
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No, I am not the paranoid one, ANNIE. I merely inserted factual reality in another of your nonsensical 'points'.
Good news about the Chicom protester, but there was no way they were going to keep them locked up for long. They don't want to upset their number one customers here in the USA and the rest of the West. They know how much blatant tyranny they can display without costing themselves money.
And I hardly defended the Chinese, where you seemed to do just that. I despise the Chinese government as should any freedom loving human being. But, if a number of Far Leftists commit the acts I listed, in Denver or anywhere else, I hope they get locked up after a struggle in which they get introduced to a taser or three.
Those who do their thing within the law, or even outside the law within reason, I'm all for them no matter how idiotically naive their relative causes may be. You know, hordes of unwashed in clouds of pot induced haze are fine with me. Save the Polar Bears! Burn your car!.... that sort of illogical nonsense without actually burning others' cars is just fine with me. This is America and thankfully, for some of us, actually making sense isn't required to partake of the rights and freedoms secured by our fellow citizens. Hell, you even get to libel those fellow citizens if that's your thing.
And I hardly defended the Chinese, where you seemed to do just that.
you call that not being paranoid? i'd be very interested if you demonstrating for us, how i 'defend the chinese'. lol, can you use copy/paste or have you detected this by osmosis?
derd, the strawman king! i have to hand it to you, your creativity sometimes astounds me. 'potentially feces throwing'? why not 'potentially fetus throwing'?
curious minds want to know. and what's a Chicoms?
Polar Bears! Burn your car!
something tells me neither the protesters at the olympics or the democratic convention are focusing on those issues. (if one could call burning a car an issue or protest tactic). perhaps i will have to file that in the derd/feces/strawman/nonsensicalfactualreality
category.
I'm all for them no matter how idiotically naive their relative causes may be. You know, hordes of unwashed in clouds of pot induced haze are fine with me.
hmm, interesting image. is there anything you (personally) think is worth protesting about.
torture? ethnic cleansing? racism? voter suppression? tibet? iraq? nuclear war? or do the hordes of unwashed prevent you from exercising the full extent of your first amendment rights? in general would you agree the olympic protesters have better bathing habits than people who protest here in america or are they also unwashed?
I hope they get locked up after a struggle in which they get introduced to a taser or three.
what about 4? or 7? 19? how much tasering do you hope for.
I saw a report on CNN during the first week of the Olympics about the arrest of some protesters. The CNN reporter was also held by the Chinese police for a few hours. Its good to hear that the protesters were released and returned home after the close of the Olympics. That is pretty much what I figured would happen.
The Chinese have been occupying Tibet for more than 50 years. I hope that the people of Tibet will eventually obtain autonomy, as the Dalai Lama wishes for his people. They have a unique and ancient culture that deserves to be respected and preserved. There have been many positive changes in China in the last 30 years. Hopefully change will continue. I heard recently that the Chinese government was willing to meet with the Dalai Lama's representatives. This is a positive step. I think that dialog has a better chance of helping the Tibetan people than confrontation.
On the PARANOID question, not sure how to answer you since it appears to be another commonly used word for which you seem to lack a firm grasp of meaning and proper usage.
You really don't know and couldn't bother to look it up before asking? Chicoms = members of the Communist Chinese regime that in sixty years of existence is responsible for the murder of over 60 million post-natal humans and untold millions more in the womb. The latter predominately females, by the way since there are now 127 Chinese males under the age of 40 for every 100 females of the same age group. Do you wonder why? Care to rationalize that somehow?
'let's just hope the chinese government was on a limited time plan to prevent disruption at the olympics.''ANNIE Hardly a devastating condemnation, is it? I have never known you to give such benefits to the US Government or its military for whom you reserve only the harshest of judgments, without fail. Ex?: your latest claim of mass rape and suicide among US military/gang members/ convicts. You just sort of dropped the subject when the facts revealed your display of casually libelous ignorance.
Why the reference to feces throwing protesters? Perhaps because some in the activist crowds intending to protest have a past history of feces throwing and are known to have discussed doing just that in Denver. Do you read? Especially the extremist 'environmentalists'. It is natural and biodegradable, after all.
Is burning cars a protest tactic? See: Islamic: youth: Paris. They seem to think that burning cars sends a statement.
''Burning cars as a form of protest is not unusual in the largely immigrant, working-class neighborhoods. ... More than 20,000 cars have been set ablaze in France so far this year, according to a government report cited by the newspaper Le Figaro.''NYT--- before you ask where I came up with Islamic youthin my bigoted mind, read something on the subject that is less concerned with PC to get that fact, if you truly are unaware. While you are at it, read up on some of the less peaceful protests in recent history. Burning cars is one of the highlights. Vandalizing cars is another favorite.
I continue to hope for a response in which you argue facts. When I correct you with fact, you tire of the subject. I'm curious to know if you are capable of acknowledging facts and admitting that what you 'know you know' in the course of your slander seems to be untrue more often than not.
Is there a cause for which I would protest? Not only that, I would, and have, served in the one institution devoted to support and defend with the lives of its members the continuing right of my fellow citizens to be proudly, publicly naive, and obnoxious (to put it kindly). You are safe.
By the way, ANNIE, I'm sure you have been watching the newswires for stories on the return of Iraqi exiles and refugees just as I have. The latest AP story on the subject today says the level of returns have increased to a level exceeding 1000 per day in the last two months and nearly one thousand of those who have returned in the last two months are doctors. Good news, huh?
re chicom. i did look it up here. otherwise everything leads to michelle malkin or hot air(hardly my kind of 'reference'). i have never heard anyone use this term before you did. it sounds racist. btw, if you think i am going to be defending the cultural revolution in china you must have rocks in your brains. why are you arguing strawmen? where did you get your description from? why don't you link so we can see your source, that goes for your "exceeding 1000 per day in the last two months " or 'feces throwing'.
Hardly a devastating condemnation, is it? lol, i thought you were going to be supporting your allegation/strawman i was defending the chinese for imprisoning protesters!! hahah.
sorry you feel abandoned by me not continuing a discussion based on your myopic vision w/the alleged support of your alleged daughter and your denial of the genocide of native americans. frankly it was about all of your !@#$%^&&** i can take.
i noticed your non answer to the question of whether you protested. apparently you have no issue w/the constitution being thrashed in the last 8 years.
toodles. enjoy your stawmen & take some meds for heavens sake. you sound like your loosing it.
Losing it with laughter, sweetie. Nothing makes a Lefty more uncomfortable and hateful than facts. Do I enjoy the stretching of the Bill of Rights? No, but I also read history and know that some of our most revered leaders have done FAR more to trash them when they had to, so I keep that in mind. I'll bet some of your heroes are some of the worst offenders. And that is why I don't hate the naive Leftists, because they at least don't let us forget where we were and where we hope to try return when it's safe to do so. Of course, we were NEVER in the place they like to pretend we came from, but it's a noble, well meaning goal. In their naive idealism they like to see the world as it should be, but never will be and they see history in its worst light because they believe we were capable of better (which is pretty silly if you bother to think about it). But that doesn't mean I can't have fun with them from time to time. Thanks for playing along.
By the way, Chicom has nothing to do with race, obviously. And it has been a common term for decades, though the PC think it harsh. But they are Chinese communist, aren't they? It has to do with philosophy, mostly. There are millions of Chinese who have died in the effort to rid the world of the Chicoms. There are millions in Taiwan who defy them at risk of death every day. There are millions in China who seek to undermine them at great risk. There are Muslims and Christians who defy them, and I admire both, unless the Muslims are those that seek to install another tyranny in place of the Communists. That's not all Muslims, but it's certainly some of them. The last time I really, actively protested? When G Bush refused to take serious actions against the Chicoms when they used tanks to crush the skulls of the Chinese students who demanded a voice in government. I also protest every time I shop. I try to avoid Chinese products, but that isn't easy. I too, sometimes feed that beast.
By the way--- thanks Bassam for hosting this self indulgence. I hope you find some time to write about your possibly changing views on various subjects as you spend more time in America. You are of the age where views are often in flux and I sometimes wonder how your experience here may have changed your outlook, or hasn't? Having attended a East Coast University, you may have more to learn. Go West, young man. But not too far West.
uncomfortable? hate?
yawn. i noticed you have no link for your assertions about derogatory slang names. michelle does it and so can you? why don't you start a wiki link, see how far that flys.
common term for decades
by whom. charlie company? i suppose japs is perfectly acceptable for common day terms as far as you are concerned.
you are extremely loose w/the word 'facts.'
sigh--- I find it really hard to believe you can't go to dictionary.com and learn a new term or two without my posting a link. Try looking up the definition of 'definition' while you are about it.
Chicom is a derogatory term for the Chinese Communist government and its members. It doesn't refer to their Chinese slaves or any other person of Chinese descent. Perhaps you haven't heard it because you don't interact with people who despise real fascism and the opponents of human liberty. If they are anti-American, they can't be bad, can they? How you manage to get 'racist' from that would amaze me if you hadn't already, many times, indicated an inability to grasp definitions and meanings.
So, I am going to assume you now know why your comparison of the term to the word 'Jap' is just foolishly ignorant and you would find it condescending for me to explain the reasons why.
excuse me for inserting a little personal history. my father hosted both General Chenault and Madame Chaing Kai-Shek in san francisco when i was a child. he was a member of the Flying Tigers. he loved the chinese and his time in china. on his deathbed he spoke of these times as some of the highlights of his life. at my birth i was honored w/a chinese robe embroidered w/ the emperors stitch (forbidden stitch).
in my youth i was fascinated by china ,very little news was forthcoming. my father always said 'never underestimate the Chinese'.
he had a deep love for china and i inherited that love. so whether the chinese choose communism or free trade it not the same as judging a government. there are many high ideals people hold when they choose a form of government. i am not a communist. however i can appreciate the great poverty of a mass of people and why they may choose to overthrow a system that separates the masses of poor from the relative few. of course china produced the great thinker confucius who believed it was mans mind that created nobility whether rich or poor and that education was to be provided regardless of ones birth.
don't lecture me on the chinese/ time will be a better judge of whether the great suffering of the masses was better served by the choices of the masses, or not.
look at china today compared to a century ago. the brutality and injustice is undeniable, the outcome......was it worth the price? that has yet to be determined,
considering they hold an abundance of our wealth i am not in a position to say whether they chose the proper path regardless of the sacrifice of my father.
the bitter pill we must swallow(you too) is that if it were not for the impossibility of opportunity for those masses, that cultural revolution would never have taken place. time considered we must ask was it worth it? is 50 60 70 years of radical change worth changing a system that for thousands of years divided people by birthright?
of course the government is oppressive. what you don't see is the similarities in ours. the masses will prevail. is it ugly sometimes? yes. horribly so. will it lead eventually to prosperity?
let us pray.
I am going to assume you now know why your comparison of the term to the word 'Jap' is just foolishly ignorant and you would find it condescending for me to explain the reasons why.
don't assume for your convenience.
by all means consider me foolishly ignorant and condescendingly enlighten me why jap for japanese is different than chi for chinese.
Your 'imaginary' father? No, I wouldn't go that low. I take it your father was a big proponent of Taiwan? Same here. When did the Chinese people 'choose' Communism? When did they hold that election?
I like the Chinese just fine. I have even done business with an admitted Chicom. I ended that relationship when I found out who he really represented. He was set up as a Chinese immigrant investing in properties here in the Southwest, but I later learned he was actually a stooge for a high ranking member of the Chicom Army to launder money he had stolen from China as was his unspoken right as a Chicom official.
I have to admit I found your rationalization of totalitarian government and mass murder of 100 million people in the name of 'progress' fascinating. I couldn't help thinking that you would argue that sacrifice for Communism is worth any amount of brutality, but suffering in the name of liberty and Democracy is a tragic waste. Why would I think that? Well, because that is exactly what you have done on a consistently inane basis. But, I wouldn't underestimate the Chinese people either. They may manage another peaceful rebellion against the tyrants, and maybe the Chicoms won't be able to get away with using tanks in the center of the capital to squash the protesters' heads like grapes next time. Obviously, the Chinese people still think they would get away with it. Re-education camps still do big business, even in a bastardized Chinese capitalist society with all the shiny new buildings to take the eye away from the evil.
I'm sorry that I assumed you could make the logical analysis of why 'Jap' and 'Chicom' are not comparable. 'Jap' was a term used for ALL Japanese and was undeniably a derogatory term directed at anyone who was living in Japan and of Japanese ancestry. Of course, it was mostly used to label those who were loyal to the Emperor in the aftermath of the attack on Pearl Harbor who were our enemies, but was also used by a few to denigrate loyal Americans of Japanese ancestry. Chicom is specifically aimed at the Chinese government and the people and instruments used to continue to deny over a billion people their inalienable rights. Chicom military. Chicom leadership. Chicom re-education camps, etc. Would anyone with a functioning brain cell refer to an American of Chinese descent a 'Chicom'? Would anyone call one of the billion Chinese peasants who are of many different ethnic groups and not a particular race a Chicom? NO, and that is the most obvious difference in the two terms and why the one could be used as a racist term and the other as denigration of a one of the worst examples of brutal and tyrannical government in human history, but would be nonsensical if applied to a particular race. Sorry if that was too complicated. I wish I could draw and post some pictures to simplify it more.
I have to admit I found your rationalization of totalitarian government and mass murder of 100 million people in the name of 'progress' fascinating.
you have elevated the strawman (your specialty) to the point of placing quotes around words and thoughts i never made nor would make. you simply want a platform and someone to argue these points against. it is quite clear why you don't use the copy/paste form.
rome wasn't built in a day. looking at global superpowers and the trails of blood/innocent victims left in their wake does not make one complicit in those crimes, but you know that.
for one who supports our current war, where the (only)chances for stability and a strong prosperous future in iraq are entirely dependent on taking the long view i find it interesting you seem to be incapable of holding a long view of china.
rationalizing why a people would choose a system of wealth distribution is a far cry than implying chinese approves of what happened in terms of the victims. that is like claiming the iraqis who supported regime change wanted a civil war. your need to demonize the population for the crimes of the leaders is completely transparent and no different than people who demonize ordinary americans for the crimes of their leaders. or to demonize democracy because the process for getting their isn't democratic except in theory based on falsehoods and lies.
Chicom is specifically aimed at the Chinese government and the people and instruments used to continue to deny over a billion people their inalienable rights.
then it certainly seems like you should be able to produce a supporting link for this theory, because it is not supported by charlie company's link. i think you are just part of a right wing smear machine creating mean talking pts. you think if you say it enough it will become part of the national lexion in the future, maybe it will. but until you can produce some evidence of this word/namecalling being used anywhere other than malkin&co you claims are just that, claims.
that said, your false assertions and blatant strawmen are boring and drankly tiring. if i don't respond to anymore of them on this thread this will likely be the reason why.
bassam, i am glad your friend and fellow blogger is set free. thank you for hosting.
or to demonize democracy because the process for getting their isn't democratic except in theory based on falsehoods and lies.
should read 'or to demonize democracy because sometimes the process for getting there isn't democratic except in theory based on falsehoods and lies.'
one more thing for the record if anyone if following this thread and stupid enough to swallow any of derd's strawmen...
i am not a communist, i do not, nor have i ever either supported the chinese regime or liked them. their history wrt human rights in abysmal. i need no other reason tho there are many.
i do however understand what led to communist rule in china, and do not blame the chinese for overthrowing a system that had provided no opportunity for the vast majority of chinese.
wrt hordes of unwashed in clouds of pot induced haze
video/what you won't see on cnn. protest outside the convention.
U.S. Marines (including active duty service members)/Iraq War Veterans Cornered & Threatened By Gestapo Storm Troopers at DNC
they march in uniform and tight formation to hold democrats accountable for running on a platform of anti war yet still funding it.
carried a letter to obama
"restore our country's good name and reputation
1. immediate withdrawl from iraq of all occupying forces from iraq
2. full and adequet health benefits for all returning vets(including active duty service members).
3. reparations to the iraqi people for the destruction cause by the US occupation."
"these veterans fought too hard to come back here and be ignored"
next, they are heading to the RNC to protest there.
I guess we can add 'Gestapo Storm Troopers' to the long list of things of which you apparently have no understanding.
Some of these supposed vets apparently didn't learn the proper way to wear a uniform or medals and they certainly are unfamiliar with USMJC since they are now subject to severe penalties for using the uniform to further political views. Dishonorable discharge, denial of veterans benefits and services among them. That isn't their uniform and they don't get to decide when and where to put it on. I would say that if they were in favor of the war, too. Funny things is, those that truly care about honor, tradition, and the rule of law, aren't the ones who protest in uniform.
supposed vets ?
lol
'they don't get to decide when and where to put it on.'
except when they do.
'those that truly care about honor, tradition, and the rule of law, aren't the ones who protest in uniform.'
they have to join the ranks of the great unwashed.
they have no voice? think again big shot.
NO,ANNIE, they have a voice, they just don't violate the honor, traditions, and LAWS that forbid them from wearing a uniform except in cases provided for by USMJC. Some of those clowns have already been given less than honorable discharges and expect more to come.
I would bet money that some of them never served, or did for a few weeks of basic at the most. There's a long tradition of phony soldiers as in Kerry's winter soldier act of treason. You do know that his War Hero leader in that effort turned out to have been a phony, don't you? He was air force, never set foot in VN and was injured playing basketball in Alaska. One of the left's early You Tube heroes who claimed rape and massacre never went to Iraq and went AWOL after less than a year of service. So, yes, from past history and knowing how a uniform and medals are properly worn, I would bet that some of those protesters were supposed soldiers, but ALL of them dishonored the uniform with that showboat act. They could protest and say anything they wanted as VETS, but they had no right to use the uniform. It isn't theirs.
phony soldiers as in Kerry's winter soldier act of treason.
rrrrrighto gotcha a few bad apples etc etc.
yada yada yada...
Federal government involved in raids on protesters
glenn greenwald/salon reports on what is becoming standard practice in the good ol US. what isn't so common is making this connection
Six Americans detained by police this week could be held for 10 days, according to Chinese authorities, who appear to be intensifying their efforts to shut down any public demonstrations during the final days of the Olympic Games. . . .
comparing to
They are still in custody. I've been told that the police have 36 hours to charge her, and that 36 hours starts after the labor day holiday, so they only have to charge her sometime Wednesday. It seems unlikely that they'd do anything to expedite her or Eryn's release.
They were then planning to actually board up her house for unspecified "code violations", but apparently her neighbors were very vocal, and the police ended up agreeing not to do anything so long as the front door was fixed by 6pm (the front door they'd busted in).
they are barging into homes in minnisota to prempyively head off younde protestors vefore they dare to exercise their firsat amendment rights.
lots of links to videos etc, i recommend
Raed Jarrar just translated the leaked SOFA (from Arabic to English) that the US wants Maliki to sign off on, in order to legalise continued occupation:
http://raedinthemiddle.blogspot.com/2008/09/us-iraqi-agreement-leaked.html
" 1- the agreement does not discuss anything about a complete US withdrawal from Iraq. Instead, it talks about withdrawing "combat troops" without defining what is the difference between combat troops and other troops. It is very clear that the US is planning to stay indefinitely in permanent bases in Iraq (or as the agreement calls them: "installations and areas agreed upon") where the U.S. will continue training and supporting Iraqis armed forces for the foreseeable future.
2- the agreement goes into effect when the two executive branches exchange "memos", instead of waiting for Iraqi parliament's ratification. This is really dangerous, and it is shocking because both the Iraqi and U.S. executive branches have been assuring the Iraqi parliament that no agreement will go into effect without being ratified by Iraq's MPs.
3- this agreement is the blueprint for keeping other occupation armies (aka Multi-national forces) in Iraq on the long run. This explains the silence regarding what will happed to other occupiers (like the U.K. forces) after the expiration of the UN mandate at the end of this year."
Annie, go easy on "derd". He's a little confused at the best of times, much like a mole breaking out and finding itself in the middle of a busy highway. ;)
Nice drive by, Bruno. Annie doesn't need any help. When facts and logic aren't an impediment to debate, ANYONE can join in. She's the poster child for that cause of which you are only somewhat less a vital part.
Your "younde protestors' who 'dare to exercise their firsat amendment rights' smashed some windows and started fires yesterday, ANNIE.
AP:Protesters attacked delegates, smashed windows, punctured car tires and threw bottles Monday, a violent counterpoint to an otherwise peaceful anti-war march at the Republican National Convention.
Police wielding pepper spray arrested at least 283 people, of which 129 were felonies, 51 gross misdemeanors and 103 misdemeanor arrests.
The trouble happened not far from the Xcel Energy Center convention site, and many of those involved in the more violent protest were clad in black and identified themselves to reporters as anarchists. They wrought havoc by damaging property and setting at least one fire. Most of the trouble was in pockets of a neighborhood near downtown, several blocks from where the convention was taking place.'''
Damn nazi gestapo police interfering with the right to destroy property and to interfere with political activity with which they disagree. The horror!Save the great unwashed!
"We were at the Rage concert, and they are taking it of context. We were just marching," said Dan Rarick of Hutchinson, immediately before the arrests. Rarick said he was a U.S. Marine veteran who served in Iraq.
"They're taking it a little to the extreme," added his friend, Joe Tschumperlin of Shakopee, also a Marine veteran. Seconds later, the arrests began.
staged PSYOPS for media control
yesterday 5 journalists for indy media were arrested. the day before that amy goodman, the regular journalist for democracy now was arrested. (on video) why? they don't want witnesses and photos and reports other than their own. media control of the message
thousands have been Spent to infiltrate groups, laws have been created to make protest a terrorist action. just like the WTO in montreal when video evidence proves the pyops people who attempted to instigate the violence were caught on tape as regular protesters yelled 'they are imposters, and not from our group'
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maybe they were YOUR protesters derd, much more likely. what, you don't think the US can suppress dissent like china? think again.
hi bruno! thanks for the link to raed's post, i will go check it out.
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