It was 9 p.m. when my cell phone rang. The screen showed an Iraqi number. My heart stopped for a minute! I was scared because it was about 5 a.m. in It was one of my best friends in
“What happened?”
“There were clashes in my neighborhood since the morning,” she said.
There was nothing new about this, but I why she said that. My heart pounded like a drum. I just didn’t want to hear that someone was hurt.
“No one was hurt. I am scared,” she said. “Armed men and interior ministry commandoes fought each other in our neighborhood all day. You can’t imagine how it was. It was hell.”
“Get the hell out of there,” I said.
“I am supposed to go to
I was speechless again, heartbroken, and unable to think. Here I am! I was having fun with my other friends here in
My friend Ahmed called me few days ago. He was on the roof of the house trying to find a cell phone signal. The cell phones are ones of things that are deteriorating in
Ahmed took the risk and called me at night as I could here the sound of shootings in the background. I told him I would call him the next day. I didn’t want him to die. He insisted. He was laughing hysterically.
“Ahmed! I am not joking. Please go down stairs now. I can call you tomorrow,” I begged him to prevent any stray bullet reach him.
“C’mon! It’s not the first time. Don’t you remember these things?!,” he said.
I didn’t say a word! Yes, I remember. Yes, I recall every hard time I went through with him. Is it just now that I feel it is dangerous? Yes, I remember being caught in crossfire. Yes, I remember how I survived car bombs and rockets explosion. His words triggered the past that is still seizing a huge part of my mind and heart.
“How is everything,” I asked him then thought what a stupid question I asked.
“Thank God! I am still alive,” he said stressing on how staying alive is the only thing people want these days. No other things or aspects of life are needed anymore. They just need to stay alive even if it is with suffering.
He asked about me. I didn’t know what to tell him? Should I tell him I am in
I asked about how the disastrous life is treating him there. As usual, he was caught in crossfire and survived. Here is what he said literally, “I was at work [in Adhamiya] when explosions and shootings started around the area. Employees panicked. A rumor was spread immediately: the Interior ministry commandos came to kidnap the employees! We were all unable to function. In moments, I imagined myself being tortured by them. I even imagined my mother wailing at my body. We shut down everything starting form the computers and stopped working. The sounds of the shooting came closer. I could not stay in the building. I decided to run away before they come and kidnap me. I’ll be dead in all cases so I’d rather be killed in the street than being kidnapped and tortured. It was hellish outside. Different armed men were fighting each other. Iraqi soldiers, commandos, Mahdi army and the neighborhood armed men were all shooting at each other. I ran in the streets as fast as I could. I swear to God I saw the bullets falling next to me. I thought I only saw that in movies. Each minute passed was like an hour. It was so scary. Women and men were running and hiding in any safe spot they could find. I kept running until I found an empty land surrounded by metal fence. I climbed on the fence and was able to jump. I just wanted to be away from those who came to kidnap the young men in the area whether from our institution or from the neighborhood. I kept running for hours until I reached our neighborhood. I was exhausted and unable to do anything from what I saw.”
When my father called me the next day, I knew there was something wrong. He was also caught in the same cross fire in Adhamiya which Ahmed faced. He went there to get his pension salary from the bank. I didn’t know what to say. I couldn’t even say he should have not gone because I know they need the salary. I felt lost, disabled, and unable to think. He told me he had to stay in the bank because the bank is at least protected by guards and Iraqi soldiers. For few hours inside the bank, he was finally able to leave when everything around him looked deserted and scary. He said the neighborhood was dirty as trash filled the sidewalks. Most of the cleaners were killed. The houses and shops were riddled with bullets.
On Christmas day, I woke up on the noise of television. I was so sleepy that I really didn’t want to know what was going on. Thanks to the devil who woke me up three times earlier and never left me sleep in peace. I opened my eyes to see what it was. I grabbed my glasses. It was Christmas celebration in Disney World! Children in my niece’s age were jumping out of happiness. I turned my head on the other side of the pillow. I didn’t want to see more. I couldn’t accept the fact that my niece who is only 15 months old is suffering in
Before this entry, I wrote three others that I didn’t publish. I was so mad that I kept them on the computer only. In one of them I wrote about the death of one of
I thought it’s only me who can’t enjoy his time during the holidays. It appeared that all of my friends outside
When I am awake or asleep, it is always with me. I feel it every night. Sometimes I see it coming into my dreams in the shape of a woman bleeding and crying for help. I want to shout and tell her I would help her but I can’t. I always feel chocked as if there is a rope around my neck preventing me from shouting. It is always that black ghost behind me walking secretly. I always feel him saying, “you’ll never see peace.” I wake up shivering. My T-shirt would be full of sweat. I feel I would jump in cold water to cool the fire inside my body. I throw the blanket away, drink some water and think.
Oh

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There are not words that are adequate to convey my sorrow for what has been done to Iraq by my country.
At first, about 73 percent of the people approved what our insane administration did to your country.
I was not part of that. I protested in the streets of San Francisco and Sacramento. We knew the lie. We knew what would happen.
Our government ignored us and called us traitors.
Do you know anything about Riverbend? It has been almost 2 months since she has posted to her blog.
It is of no use to you and your countrymen, but many of us in America are sickened because of what our War Criminal Leader has done. I suppose we are as helpless as anyone is against a dictator.
Because you are in America now, I know that you have met many of us who hate what those evil money hungry murderers did to your country.
God, I am sorry. Is there anything that could be done to do anything to make things better?
The dawn of peace, Treasure, does not mean that the light seen on the horizon illumines immediately all the valleys and the back of the mountains.
The fatherhood of God, His loving kindness and generosity are obvious to all. In His mercy He provides for all creatures and if any soul sins He does not halt His mercies. All created things are visible evidence of His fatherhood, mercy and heavenly generosity. Human brotherhood is likewise as clear and evident as the sun, for all are servants of one God, belong to one humankind, inhabit the same globe, are sheltered beneath the overshadowing dome of heaven and submerged in the sea of divine mercy. Human brotherhood and dependence exist because mutual helpfulness and cooperationh are the two necessary principles underlying human welfare. This is the physical relationship of mankind. There is another brotherhood, the spiritual, which is higher holier and superior to all others. It is heavenly; it emanates from the breaths of the Holy Spirit and the effulgence of merciful attributes; it so founded upon spiritual susceptibilities. This brotherhood is established by the appearance of the Manisfestations of the Holy One.
Treasure, you are surrounded by a society that has been blessed by a birthright, but about 99% do not realize the truth in their own Bible, "To whom much is given, much is expected." Because their answer to this verse they learned, or should have learned, as little children in Bible school, they think it has something to do with capitalism, or free love, or democracy or Christianity as a substitute.
Even the agnostic would probably say that if the collective human will decided to, it could stop the war in Iraq for starters. But the agnostics cannot. The Christians cannot, the Muslims cannot. We cannot because we are divided among ourselves.
Too many will not acknowledge a practical priority, not to mention the real agency for unity that would lead to at least a cessation of war, yet. The reality is that more of us will have to suffer. You will have to suffer, I will have to suffer, before the practical priority of a political peace will be at the top.
So what do we do in the meantime? We have to focus on the question, "Why am I here?" ie, what is my purpose for being "here" rather than dead in Iraq, or living and enjoying the good life in California, etc. Each soul has to search for the answer for themselves. You are blessed to have the cries of your loved ones adding meaning to your days. Most of us don't have that sense of urgency.
And further; The stages that mark the wayfarer's journey from the abode of dust to the heavenly homeland are said to be seven...The first is The valley of Search. The steed of this Valley is patience; without patience the wayfarer on this journey will reach nowhere and attain no goal. Nor should he ever be downhearted; if he strive for a hundred thousand years and yet fail to behold the beauty of the Friend, he should not falter. For those who seek the Ka'bih of "for Us" rejoice in the tidings: "In Our ways will We guide them." (Qur'an 29:69) IN their search, they have stoutly girded up the loins of service, and seek at every moment to journey from the plane of heedlessness into the realm of being. No bond shall hold them back, and no counsel shall deter them.
Treasure, I wish you well on your journey. God Speed!
Edo River rising
Dear BT
For the first time I don't know what to say,
I'll say many things without thinkng about the meanings it's just to say;
I have the same feeling of guilt, when Al-Adhamiyah was attacked in November I was horrified, I used to call Wise(my friend ) everyday, she asked me to cool down and not to worry , I remeber that I said "how can I relax, go to clubs, gym and enjoy my life while you're dying?"
I can't ...
In my first month in London I used to see the same nightmare every night , there was somebody wants to shoot me, I used to wake up after hearing the sound of the shoot, it's just horrible.
I know how you feel and how hard it is.
I've faced the same situation which your friend had, I was running away from AL-Yarmook hospital on 7-4-2003
I thought about my mother and what she will do after my death , how hard will it be ?
After leaving Iraq, four or five love stories of my friend had ended by breaking up, even the stories which survived , each one is awayfrom the other . many of my friends and classmates had lost their parents or brothers.
I think about my sister who has to go to the dentisty college , she is going there once a week only .
Their life is terrible, no one can enjoy it and there is nothing to enjoy.Moreover everything is Haram, as the mullad or shiekh doesn't accept it.
It's our fate , all what we have to do is going on , it doesn't ,matter if we can't enjoy it, we should just go on ,
GOOD LUCK
بغداد لو تدرين شوقي الج اشلونه...وزرع الي زرعته ببيتي عطشان لو يسكونه؟...اباوع بعيون الصغار ..اتوسل اكلهم :لاتكبرون خوفي عليكم هذا الوطن تنسونه..بغداد يسكنونج غرب لو تنادين على اهلج :وينكم ياحبابي ترابي ماغيركم يسكنونه
وعلى رأي عباس جيجان:وطننا الي بنينله بدمع وضلوع صفى ببخت الحرامية
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The USA expected that the "Iraq Disneyland" would begin construction in 2003, but there were some people in Iraq who had a different vision for the future of Iraq. That vision included 150,000 deaths, misery, Iraqis stranded all over the world (detached and depressed), lawlessness, chaos, greed, criminality, torture, corruption, etc.
We wanted to facilitate the construction of the place of your dreams, but unfortunately, your countrymen, assisted by industrious foreignors, has turned it into hell on earth.
oh BT.
I want to stop the bleeding but I don’t know how. When I am awake or asleep, it is always with me.
of course it is. i am so very very sorry. your words have touched me greatly. i cannot say to you i know what you are feeling. i can't even imagine. it probably seems trife for me to say thank you for sharing but still it is incredible to me you have shown your pain so honestly. my heart aches w/sadness for you and it is i who feel guilty. i'm sorry for what my country has done, and so ashamed.
I wish they keep closing forever
your destiny will be w/open eyes. stay strong and trust yourself. iraq is in my prayers, you too.
Hi BT. I'm sorry about what's happening in your country.
Is this the same Ahmed you were talking about a few weeks ago? Has he considered joining the Army?
“Because you are in America now, I know that you have met many of us who hate what those evil money hungry murderers did to your country.”
Thanks for your nice words, anonymous. I did meet many Americans who expressed their anger against the Bush administration and what it did to my country.
“The dawn of peace, Treasure, does not mean that the light seen on the horizon illumines immediately all the valleys and the back of the mountains.”
Edo,
I hope there will be “dawn of peace” one day in Iraq, not for me but for the coming generations. For me, the best days in my life are gone with no joy and happiness. I just hope that a peaceful Iraq embraces my niece and all the children of Iraq because these are the seeds of the new Iraq.
“So what do we do in the meantime? We have to focus on the question, "Why am I here?" ie, what is my purpose for being "here" rather than dead in Iraq,”
I am here so that I can do something useful to myself, society and parents who sacrificed everything to educate me and make me be a better person. Eventually, I’ll be for Iraq sooner or later.
A&Iraqi,
Oh my God! You are going through the same thing I am going through. I hope we find peace one day.
Jeff,
I advise you to leave Bremer’s book and read the real stuff that happened inside the Green Zone in one of the best books of the year. You should read “Imperial Life in The Emerald City”. I am reading it now and will write a long post commenting on the disasters the Americans did when they came to Iraq after I finish reading it. After reading it, you should thank your fellow Americans for establishing the “Religious and messed-up Disney Land” in Iraq!
Annie,
Thanks a lot for your nice words! It’s just heartbreaking to hear all these news while being far away.
RhusLancia,
Yes, it’s the same Ahmed. He is not thinking of joining the Iraqi security forces because they are the ones who are kidnapping and killing people. It would be shameful to join them kill instead of protect! Don’t you think so?
BT: "He is not thinking of joining the Iraqi security forces because they are the ones who are kidnapping and killing people. It would be shameful to join them kill instead of protect! Don’t you think so? "
I know the Police is badly regarded, but the Army seems to have some promise as a force loyal to Iraq and not their own violent interests. They have their problems too, of course, but they also have many brave Iraqis who are really trying to defend the country from the kidnappers and killers. That's my impression of them anyway.
Yes, I have the same impression about the Iraqi army. But the problem is that when you lose confidence in the whole government, you won’t consider being part of it. Everybody knows how corrupt and terrible this government is.
BT, I wish there were some words that I could say to help bring peace to your heart. I do not have much power or influence in the world, but I always try to give encouragement to my friends, or to help them if I can. I hope that your niece will know an Iraq that is at peace and that her life will be a happy one in the years ahead!
BT: "But the problem is that when you lose confidence in the whole government, you won’t consider being part of it. Everybody knows how corrupt and terrible this government is."
Many Americans have lost confidence in our government, too, and believe it to be corrupt and terrible. I doubt they would join our military now either. But if we were threatened the way Iraq is, some of them might join to defend their country and neighbors. Then again, some others might join the forces that sought to destroy us, just like some in Iraq are joining militias and the insurgency.
Many Americans have lost confidence in our government, too, and believe it to be corrupt and terrible. I doubt they would join our military now either.
i doubt this person would join our military now.
But if we were threatened the way Iraq is, some of them might join to defend their country and neighbors.
even if the government of our country was controlled by a manipulative conrolling foriegn occupation? what if the democrats aligned w/the chinese occupation who came to liberate us from bush?
all those gun totting nra guys in the republican party would form the militias and fight against the government,join the forces that sought to destroy us just like some in Iraq are joining militias and the insurgency.
what side would you be on rhus?
why we fight i recommend. this first 10 minutes ia a little slow, but otherwise i think this is an excellent video.
too bad you can't just solve this problems w/slogans, a good marketing campaign, and a bunch of unprofessional political hacks slinging around empty promises while the war profitters suck iraq dry.
Mossad Annie: "even if the government of our country was controlled by a manipulative conrolling foriegn occupation? what if the democrats aligned w/the chinese occupation who came to liberate us from bush?"
That's what I was talking about.
Mossad Annie: "what side would you be on rhus?"
The correct one, of course.
The correct one, of course.
oh, so you think one would be correct? the new 'legitimate'chinese inspired government, or the militias? enlighten me who you would support. would you join the 'new army' backed by the chinese that was also murdering people (chinese torture, not the salvadoran style of course) w/the idea of making it stronger or better? would you encourage your child to work w/the chinese? remember, the people who worked were elected by the people in a very fair election overseen by the chinese.
i know how adept you are w/your creative namecalling and quick comebacks, but can you answer this question with any seriousness? if you can't, a little name calling or evasive word twisting will speak for itself.
"The correct one, of course."
Some meaningless reply indeed!
U know Rhusy, only demagogues use evasive sentences like this one. & u r one hell one of these. I bet u know that very well. Right?
I wonder why annie ulceres u that much?
---
Saad
Dear BT
yes we are going through the same things, I don't mind not see Iraq anymre, all what I want are two things :first is peace to Iraq and all Iraqis, and the second thing is not to die away from Iraq, I can't suffer dying here, I've started writing after a difficult period in which I felt that my grave is there and I should go back.
We should go on and do as much as possible to support our people and our country.
I know that everybody prays for Iraq but, to pray is not enough anymore .
Well, I just wanted to know if Ahmed had considered joining the Army. For all the bad things in Iraq, their Army is not quite as bad as most. BT answered my question (thanks, BT) and shared my impression about the IA. Enter Mossad Annie.
Mossad Annie: "but can you answer this question with any seriousness?"
It would depend on the situation, and who exactly intervened. In general if our country had so completely veered from the principles we believe in, I might welcome outside intervention.
You should be reminded that many Iraqis did welcome our intervention in '03, and to this day many are happy to put Saddam behind them. BT's particular disappointment seems to be with what happened after the invasion than the invasion itself.
Now, you seem every bit as disappointed with our own government as you are with the elected Iraqi Puppet Government. So, are you advocating armed rebellion against our own gov't as you are against theirs? Are you killing and kidnapping police, ministers, and day laborers to express your idea of "resistance"? How many times have you blown yourself up among a group of American pensioners because you disagree with our government's actions? Once? Twice? C'mon, why don't you answer me that? You've previously said you support the resistance, but not the violence they perpetuate. In Iraq, "non-violent resistance" is an oxymoron.
Treasure
kan ib wudee ektib bil3arabee, bes ilghurba has unlearned me.
What can I say, you are not alone, there are at least four million Iraqis like us surviving in exile, carrying our families', our friends', our people's pain and sufferring in our hearts whatever we do, and wherever we go, helping whoever we can on the way, and telling enyone who will listen the truth about who we are, where we were, and what has been done to us. Allah yekoon fee 3oun kul il3eeraqiyeen fee kul makan.
you seem every bit as disappointed with our own government as you are with the elected Iraqi Puppet Government.
i am every bit as disappointed yes. more so actually because the war profitters that control our government are 'mine'. the same way someone may be more likely to be disgusted w/their own traitor as opposed to the neighbors.
So, are you advocating armed rebellion against our own gov't as you are against theirs?
strawman, got quotes? i didn't think so. i don't advocate violence.
but the answer would have to be, america under occupation under the same circumstances of having an army that was systematically exterminating people, yes. but, we have not been invaded by another nation who has built a 100 acre colony in downtown nyc or dc/taken possession of the gov't buildings,an invader has not delivered deathsquads to our neighborhoods, we do not have militias resisting against a puppet government. i am also quite relieved we still have a right to bear arms, one of the few rights that we still have.
In general if our country had so completely veered from the principles we believe in, I might welcome outside intervention.
ha! read the military commission act lately? would you still welcome an occupation force knowing 90% of the population didn't? some american you are.
saad, i annoy rhus so much because i continually schew up his strawmans arguments and spit them out like the used chewing gum they amount to. (@ Omar's). i will give him the last word on this one because his pathetic excuses for justifying the invasion and promoting an agenda that steals iraqi wealth aren't worth another whole thread.
sorry for the diversion, BT.
our people's pain and sufferring in our hearts whatever we do, and wherever we go, helping whoever we can on the way, and telling enyone who will listen the truth about who we are, where we were, and what has been done to us.
i am listening 3eeraqimedic
Iraq is hell because Saddams
men want it to be hell ...
They made a choice to
Either they rule Iraq like Saddam
or no one governe Iraq ...
They never gave the new government
a chance ... and now you are seeing
the Shia masses seek revenge for
not only for the targeted killing
of Civillians for 3 years ...
but for the 35 years of Saddam ...
Iraqi - Iraqi violence is destroying Baghdad leave the Americans out of it ...
And these people who go on about
what America did to the wonderful
peaceful prosperous all inclusive
wealth sharing government of Saddam
ARE THE FIRST TO CRY ABOUT THEIR
CIVIL LIBERTIES BEING LOST UNDER
BUSH !!! Yes what logic is that ...
Annie whines about the pathetically
mild "Patriot Act" but goes on and on about what America did to
Iraq ... Saddam loyalists
have brought this horror upon
Baghdad ... put the blame where
it belongs already ... all this crap about what America did to Iraq
is BullShit ...
Saddam stole huge shipments
of medicine destined for Iraq
bought under the oil for food program and sold the shipments
in Syria ... Saddam violated
UN resolutions ... and Saddams
men started the targeting of innocents the last 3.5 years ...
Thats the reality deal with and
stop all the BS about how Americans
destroyed Iraq ....
I believe Erbil and Um Quasar
are thriving now
Oh ... I see the intellegensia
of the USA are commenting now ...
Lets see
"money hungry murders"
I guess they mean people like
Dick Cheney ... well
Dick Cheney gave 85% of his income
to charities last year !!!
How much did
1) George Clooney
2) Susan Saradan
3) Natalie Maines
etc etc etc give ...
Yes thats right Dick Cheney
called for an invasion of Iraq
so he could score huge bucks ...
AND THEN GIVE IT AWAY !!!
You people are Pathetic ...
Lets see Dick Cheney
Bush
Rumsfeld
Wolfowitz
Rice
Powell
etc ...
Add up thier net worth in America
after they are in power for
8 years ... what is it ...
mabey 200 million total ...
How nuch was Saddam worth in a country 1/10 the size ...2-3 Billion !!!
How much was Arafat the great Palestinian leader worth
at the time of his death ...
leader of a teeney tiny polulation
Estimates were 900 Million !!!
But its Bush et al ...Yes they are the money hungry crowd !!!
Baghdad is hell because the Saddamites want it to be hell ...
they had three years to reconcile
with new government ... Maliki
made clear concessions and still
they kill and kill more and more
Historical fact ... Iraqi - Iraqi
violence is the plague destroying
Baghdad
Good to see the people who protested the Iraq war out in force on the blogs ...
I FULLY EXPECT THE SAME
When Bush decides to intervene
in Darfur
leave the Americans out of it ...
Classic! How can we miss them if they won't go
away?
Troll blogger (Rhuslancia, how do you choose these names darling?) got a whippin' and now the anons are out in force defending the homeland?
So wrapped in agenda you can't grasp the thread?
Working for a living, just another $lave of the system. Your words mean nothng.
Your Emperor Wears No Clothes.
Me: " So, are you advocating armed rebellion against our own gov't as you are against theirs?"
Mossad Annie: "strawman, got quotes? i didn't think so. i don't advocate violence."
Oh. You only support the imaginary peaceful Iraqi Resistance. Well, his name is Ali. I mean was Ali. He was blown up waiting in line for petrol today by one of the actual Iraqi Patriot Occupation Resisters.
In Iraq, "non-violent resistance" is an oxymoron.
relax. it's just a matter of time before things settle down. And keep writing. That's all u can do.
And do come online, when u feel down. We can talk and share things.
Did someone say relax? ;-)
Treasure, I just read the NYTimes announcement that the execution of Saddam Husein is sooner rather than later (though I wouldn't be surprised at any last minute changes)
I could probably write in advance the comments on this topic, and save all the anonymous ignonymouses the labor. However, I will wait for your blog and then give my opinion,
Edo River rising
“Many Americans have lost confidence in our government, too, and believe it to be corrupt and terrible.”
Thank God! I am so relieved to hear this. It’s good to hear that the Americans got out of the bubble.
“But if we were threatened the way Iraq is, some of them might join to defend their country and neighbors.”
Well, the US was attacked on 9/11. What happened next? People joined the army and invaded two countries and increased the hatred against them the double. Do you think the US is safer now? No, it is not. I see it in the eyes of every American. Sometimes I see them far more scared than Iraqis. I’ve seen people run and cry when they see a small fire in a building.
Annie,
Thanks for the link. What the Marine said was really moving. But here is the thing. What is the benefit of his realization after a country’s destruction and death of more than half a million people in three years? I think it's too late!
3EERAQIMEDIC,
Welcome on board of Treasure of Baghdad!
“Allah yekoon fee 3oun kul il3eeraqiyeen fee kul makan.”
Amen Ya Rab!
Anonymous [11:40 PM]
Are you blind or trying to fool yourself or what? Tell me. Because you keep saying the same thing over and over without talking about the main reasons which you don’t want to believe or listen to. Saddam is gone and his loyalists are crushed by the government and the militias. You keep saying things that happened in 2003. If you are still asleep since that time, then you should wake up. Three governments came to Iraq and each one of them did a terrible job. What other chances should have been given to them? People sacrificed themselves to vote and here are the results, a bunch of blood-thirsty thugs who keep seeking revenge by killing all Sunnis accusing them of being Saddam Baathists by the time all Iraqis suffered under Saddam, not only the Shiites.
“I guess they mean people like
Dick Cheney ... well
Dick Cheney gave 85% of his income
to charities last year !!!”
Oh yeah! Of course!! Where did he get the money from? Whose blood he sucked so that he got that amount of money?
“Baghdad is hell because the Saddamites want it to be hell ...”
Bla bla bla blab la… I think the militias are doing far more crimes! Do you think they are Saddam loyalists?
“Historical fact ... Iraqi - Iraqi
violence is the plague destroying
Baghdad”
No, it’s the American “divide-to-conquer” method is the plague destroying Baghdad.
“When Bush decides to intervene
in Darfur”
Darfur is different. Iraq was a stable modern secular country before Bush’s “intervention” while Darfur is already fucked up! Try to think deeply before you write and if you don’t know the history of Iraq before the war, go read it.
SloganMurugan,
Thanks my friend, you always support me :)
riverbend hits another out of the ballpark.
i have so much respect for the iraqi writers i have met thru blogs.
BT, you are right, it is too late for all the death and destruction thus far. thing is, america is planning on a permanent presence in iraq, then the beast of the military industrial complex will need to get fed w/regularity. we need a movement in the military. that link refers to a movie sir no sir. guilt can be a motivating factor, a wake up call for the (some brainwashed) soldiers who carry out the bidding of the empire. when will this ever end?
Me: "“Many Americans have lost confidence in our government, too, and believe it to be corrupt and terrible.”
BT: "Thank God! I am so relieved to hear this. It’s good to hear that the Americans got out of the bubble."
Some (ie Mossad Annie) even believe our gov't is worse than Iraq's elected gov't. Yet, they are not advocating the same toppling of our government as they are for yours. Why is that? I'd like to offer that it's because our elections allow the peaceful transfer of power at two, four, and six year intervals, and our own young but evolved democracy guarantees healthy opposition and minority rights. Without violence, coups, intimidation, and so on. Can you show me a better alternative for Iraq, that would involve less bloodshed to get there from here, and better long-term prospects?
By the way, Mossad Annie's claim that she doesn't support violence is the biggest hypocrasy I've ever seen on your blog. The Iraqi Resistance is about nothing but violence, with your family in the crosshairs!
BT: "Well, the US was attacked on 9/11. What happened next? People joined the army and invaded two countries and increased the hatred against them the double."
Before that, we left the Taleban alone to fester in peace, to happily harbor bin Laden, repress its people, and blow up Budhas to their hearts' content. Lotta good that did us.
Clinton's "Peace in my term" policy of containing and sanctioning Saddam was taking a toll on your people, while Saddam could fund his palaces at will with under-the-table oil deals. Lotta good that did us, and all the Iraqis who, unlike you, did not survive.
Saddam was done. Saddam could have taken the exile deal, but now he's in the last hours of his life. Iraq will have to carry on without him. How? Just with a new Saddam? Or would you prefer to evolve into having something better? Is a Shia tyrant OK, if he spares your family but purges the Sunnis? What about a Sunni one that might not? Or another secular one that would thin the population from whatever side dared oppose him?
BT, I've started to post over at Iraqi Bloggers Central. My first entry is here, and it might give you some insight into how I came to think some of the things I do, with more detail than I'd ever make you suffer through here.
Iraqi Bloggers Central ??
aka Neocon Central: Trollers of Iraqi Blogs
Dear RhusLancia,
Thanks for sending me the link.
I respect your comments and discussions but I truely beleive that the IBC is a big disgrace and a blog that does not represent Iraq by any means. It's one of the propaganda blogs that tries to hurt the unity of Iraq and Iraqi people. Throughout the articles that were written there, the IBC authors did their best to insult Iraqis and Arabs in general. I am sorry to hear that you are writing in it now. I banned all the IBC writers from posting on my blog since they use insulting and dirty words and expressions instead of discussing issues in a respectful ways. However, you are welcome to comment on my blog anytime as long as you post your own views, not the IBC's.
Best regards.
BT,
you are suffering from "Post Traumatic Stress Disorder." I understand this problem intimately. It often emanates when one has been exposed to extreme violence, or had a violent act committed upon him or her. The nightmares, the "hyper-vigilance" (always looking over your shoulder and jumping if someone surprises you with his or her presence), and the depression, the deep unrelenting depression, can tear apart any happiness, and eventually your life. You can't change the situation in Iraq, you have survivor guilt, and you are living in the country that basically tore your country apart--these are all things that tear at you and haunt you. Please consider asking for help. I did. It saved my life.
Dear RhusLancia,
I read your entry. I found it very interesting and honest. Thanks for writing your own point view. I wish you had your own blog where you post your own views.
Best regards.
[Rhusy]"You should be reminded that many Iraqis did welcome our intervention in '03, and to this day many are happy to put Saddam behind them."
But u don't tell us how MANY Iraqis r against your endless willing presence in Iraq & want u IMMEDIATELY OUT?
Aren't u aware of Iraqi public opinion's polls?
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Saad
Dear BT
يا غريب اذكر اهلك - والكَالها
.. ابحجية ايتنكّت
هيّج اجروح الكَلب .. والعين ..
كت مهضوم .. كتت
ذكروّها .. واعادة اليذكر يحن ..
والروح .. لاهل الروح حنّت
ونتّ .. اوماظن مثل ونها .. الصخر
.. خنساه ونّت
صبّرتها .. اوكابرت عالظيم .. والكابر
.. يظل بسكوت .. ينهت
طاحت ، اوفوك الفشل .. بمصابها
الشامت .. تشمت
شلون ذلت .... ؟
اخ ياروحي .. الكّبل جانت عزيزة
شلون ذلت .. ؟.
ملت امن اونينها .. او عذّالها
امن اللوم ملّت
واصبحت .. مثل الرشة المتروك
من يشله .. جليبة
اوحنت .. اوعاداة المحبين ..
لو حن المحب .. يطلب حبيبه يالتريدين
الولف .. ولف الجفاج .. امنين اجيبه
كافي غيبه .. كافي .. جلمات العتب
عالناس .. ياروحي الغريبة
يالمثل دلّه استوت بوجاغ ما يخمد لهيبه ..
يالتظنين .. ابعظم بلواج .. ما صارت مصيبه
هذا سهمج .. والسهم لوعات
والخانه الوكت يرضه بنصيبه
او هذا طبع الناس .. بيهم بلاوفه
اوبيهم وفي .. اتجيبه الحليبه
وانتي لا جف الينشف العين .. لا دار
الولف .. يمج جريبه
يالحسرتج . حسرة المجبود .. وادموعج
تبدّت
يالعلى اجروحج .. اعز الناس ..
من شافت ، تشمت
يالتظنين الشمل .. يلتم ..
شمل عزّج .. تشتت
للشاعر :عريان السيد خلف
Saad: "But u don't tell us how MANY Iraqis r against your endless willing presence in Iraq & want u IMMEDIATELY OUT?
Aren't u aware of Iraqi public opinion's polls?"
It's something like four out of five want us out. You already know that, though, you don't need me to say. Did you know three out of four American troops in Iraq want out within a year? 25% want out immediately.
On the one hand I wish we could take the timing of a withdrawal off the table, and even support long-term bases. That has worked just fine for Germany, England, Japan, S. Korea, and dozens of other countries. But I know that won't work in Iraq. Maybe Kurdistan, but not the rest anyway. So we aren't going to be there forever. We just need to be there until your gov't can stand on its own.
Two of the sides poised to take over Iraq- the Resistance and the militias- believe they can wipe the other out within six months of our departure. You know what happens when two sides think they have the advantage, but in reality neither does? Hint: it takes years and tens of thousands of deaths to find out, hundreds of thousands possibly. Add to this the other regional powers like Saudi Arabia and Iran taking opposing sides and it doesn't look any better.
Americans are rude, they don't know your language, they don't know your culture. Sometimes they make mistakes and sometimes they commit crimes. Sorry about all that; it all must be dealt with appropriately. But they are still the only force able to counter all those who want to tear Iraq apart or mold it into their own repressive image.
BT, my own blog? Crikey! That would be a lot of work. I spent hours last night working on a graphic (that may debut tonight) and another post. I don't know how you do it, but I'm glad you do. I'm glad to be a part of an established blog, and I plan on staying true to its subtitle: "An American Looks at Iraq and the Iraqi Bloggers". That's really all I am.
Hello
First thing, ToB does NOT have PTSD, he is human, feels helpless and is pissed off
I know about PTSD, I know people who have it, and he doesn't
This post, and the one on Riverbends have saddend me more than any posts I have read on ANY blogs previous
Riverbend echo's a lot of what I have said and have summised over the past few weeks
Me and Treasure have talked quite a bit in the recent past, and agree on most points
We should all hang our heads in shame that this whole sorry situation has been allowed to occur
If I feel numb tonight, I hate to think how any Iraqi feels
I don't do god, as I don't really think that any heavenly body would create such a brutal creature to run a planet like we are screwing up
God, Allah, Buddah and the rest of the guys we are FORCED to worship because of where we were born, brought up etc don't really do much for me
I didn't like all this wishy washy festive crap that everyone has been spouting over the past few days
We stuff our faces with food, spend far too much on xmas, and are now creatures of our own making in this commercialised nonsence we are brainwashed to get involved with
Meanwhile, back in the real world, people like me remember that on this small revolving planet, people are starving, people are getting murdered, people have had lives ruined for no particular reason at all, when we have all the natural resources available for all
The 5% of the privilaged ones that have a chance to read this post are so wrapped up in their own self importance that they have forgotten the difference between right and wrong
We in the birthright privilaged world have become far far too precious
Of course I wish everyone a wonderful and happy new year - bull fucking shit
2007 promises to be one of the worlds worst and darkest years
I've said it more than once, and I stand by it, Bush has created a terrorist world and is a one man recruiting agency for terrorists worldwide, as the world gets more advanced, the methods to create destruction on a massive scale increases, next move will be a smart bomb in one of the worlds major cities
Hand your head in shame fellow westeners, we are a democratic disgrace in our cotton wool lined lives
I am not really bothered if anyone is upset by my words, some of us write exactly what we think without being so thick skinned that we don't understand the difference between fact and fiction, right and wrong
Rumour has it Saddams about to get hung, well fuck me, ain't that going to solve everything
Here's waiting for the shit to really hit the fan
Steve
amen
well spoken steve
re wishy washy festive crap
bottom line, if we don't have faith in ourselves, and our collective power, they have won. totally.
as hard as it seems to fight the ultimate evil (and i do believe the ptb have the ability to bring down the human race this century at the rate they are going)
i have faith in the collective humanity and goodness of man, that there are more of us than they are of them. their power comes from us accepting their superiority and power and controlling our image of who we are. this is something i will not do. i cannot succumb to them.
before we are american or iraqi or parents or children or muslim or hispanic or christian or anything, anything else, we are human. as humans collectively, we have more power in our goodness than the evil that threatens us. i must believe. i must.
everything else in your post steve, i agree completely.
onward, in solidarity
Wow, Treasure, you and I sure see the world differently!
Having witnessed the quality of leaders that Iraqis select on their own, I am now willing to stated that Paul Bremer is the best leader that Iraq has ever had, and, I suspect he is the best leader Iraq will have in the next 10 years as well. Hopefully after 10 years, you guys will do better.
Bremer worked very hard and very selflessly and honestly to improve Iraq for all its people.
America has been lucky in many ways during its history. We had a George Washington when we needed him most. Gerald Ford was there when we needed a person of indisputable honesty and integrity in the wake of the Nixon Watergate scandal. And there are many other examples.
Sadly, Iraq has suffered from poor leadership in Maliki and in al-Jafari. Ironically, the U.S.-selected Ayad Allawi was probably the best of the three. Maybe you guys should vote to have the U.S. select your leaders! :-)
Maybe you guys should vote to have the U.S. select your leaders! :-)
Vote or no vote, there is no other option.
Maliki is using the occasion of Saddam's execution to reach out one last time to the insurgency:
"The Iraqi prime minister, Nuri al-Maliki, later urged Saddam's fellow Baathists to reconsider their tactics and join the political process.
"I urged followers of the ousted regime to reconsider their stance as the door is still open to anyone who has no innocent blood on his hands, to help in rebuilding an Iraq for all Iraqis," he said."
That seems like a good move.
Dear TOB,
Don't blame your self for being happy while your acquaintances and chums are in Iraq suffering the war...You can't change the sitation niether them...There is only one almighty God who can do it.
I am with you, you feel sad and get scared when you receive a phone call in mid-night but after each call you thank God for every one's safety...don't you?
I have survived many times before or after an explosion...That is right we are living in the hell but God's hand is with us...Since our faith in him won't change then we should realize that what ever he decides for our lives should be done...
God be with your family, friends and relatives and with you too.
Marsh
[Rhuslostia]"On the one hand I wish we could take the timing of a withdrawal off the table, and even support long-term bases."
U wish what!?!! Who r u first to wish what u DON'T have the right to do? U think that Iraq is an empty land where u & your like wish whatever u want?
Well NO! No to Bases, & NO to the taking off the table of time-table for your withdrawal. If u wish to die in my country, this is your business. Mine is to get u lot OUT of my country. So take the opportunity & GET OUT!
---
Saad
Saddam's execution? But who the hell decided on that? In what kind of upside down world r we living? Did this man's crimes end ONLY in the Dujail & Anfal cases? How about the millions of Iraqis died during the 40 years of his Baath ideology? How about the double invasions of Iran & Kuwait? How about the orders of executions & oppression he made during the 1991 rebellions? How about the numerous cases of corruption he started within & without Iraq? How about the secrets of his rise to power or of his life as a CIA/MI5-6 agent? & the secrets of his execution of his comrades in 1979? How about the millions he scoundered here & there? Last how about the secrets he knows of the American support to his regime or to others during all his lifetime?
How.. & how.. & how... & many other endless hows.
What i see is that only the Americans & their useless Iraqi governmental cronies who r benefitting from this Public Relations operation. And as usual it is us Iraqis who have lost with this mascarade.
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Saad
Ok, Steve, I'll stop the "psycho-babble"--but the nightmares and helplessness, the anger and all that is pretty common among those who have witnessed/been the victim of horrific violence. Call it what you want, it stinks.
Hanging Saddam was madness. Let's just make the country even more dangerous than it already is. . .as I posted on my blog, I think this is a disturbing sign of how weak the current government really is--not that we doubted that--but this is an act of sheer desperation to show power. What a way to start off a new year. I keep thinking of Yeats' poem, The Second Coming. "What is that rough beast, its hour come at last. . ."
Me: "On the one hand I wish we could take the timing of a withdrawal off the table, and even support long-term bases."
Saad: "U wish what!?!! Who r u first to wish what u DON'T have the right to do?" ...
Settle down, Saad. I said it wouldn't work, first, and second, when did my wishes have any weight in Iraq? If they do, then I wish peace breaks out immediately (touching temples, wiggling nose).
I was just suggesting some Iraqis could stop obsessing about our presence (not naming names) and start seeing us an an ally. We have troops all over the place, and we are a valuable ally for those who would host us.
read more about PTSD (Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder) here:
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/55265
ehm. yep. guess i just couldn't leave it.
ToB: i wish you all the best and some very good times these days with good friends!
[Rhuslostia]"I was just suggesting some Iraqis could stop obsessing about our presence (not naming names) and start seeing us an an ally. We have troops all over the place, and we are a valuable ally for those who would host us."
Come again!?!! U were 'just suggesting' that we Iraqis what? 'stop' obsessing about your presence in our country???
R u pulling my leg or something? This is the biggest joke i have ever heard. So bcs u think your Army has occupied my country, we Iraqis should be grateful & SHUT UP about it.
Well, 'some' other Iraqis (87% BTW) & me prefer to get obsessed with the question of the illegal presence of u foreign occupiers in my country & NOT considering u as a valuable ally under any circumstances. Clear?
Do u know what that means? It means that your days in Iraq r NUMBERED. Many Iraqis will join in the harsh way of convincing u of leaving. Here YOU will be continuously PAYING the high price.
U know very awefully well that your Govt will NOT help the iraqi security forces stand up on its own. This is meant to provide a pretext to u & your like to remain in Iraq endlessly with this funny & weak pretext of terror. The whole world knows this trick. So the real one's who r SUPPORTING the terror in Iraq is YOU LOT! Not the so-called Iraqis (who r your own tools for the DIRTY TASKS BTW) jumping on everybody's necks for a kill.
So I repeat: GET OUT of my country while u still can. We don't 'wish' to see your faces around any more.
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Saad
Marshmallow26
Hope you are staying safe and well, I've followed your plight and you have my thoughts
As I've said in previous posts, I don't do god, I'd like to think that some heavenly body exists, but would a god allow this suffering to go on, and on and on and on .....
I think the greater body lit the fuse and like a snowball rolling down the hill grew and grew. and 'god' isn't the answer
Any god isn't showing he really cares about humans and what we are doing to ourselves
The Tsunami was a chance for the world to unite, but we even screwed that up
mariestaad, you are spot on. Agree with you re Saddam, and once again I base my judgement on what happens in the next few weeks and months
You don't babble, we are both emotional caring creatures ;=)
RhusLancia - You are now officially winner of the title of the Queen of Spin... You spin, spin and spin even more and the worst part of it you write mini, almost believable statements
QUOTE..
I was just suggesting some Iraqis could stop obsessing about our presence (not naming names) and start seeing us an an ally. We have troops all over the place, and we are a valuable ally for those who would host us.
UNQUOTE
You (seeing as you said 'us')were not invited into Iraq
You invaded Iraq Illegally
Please tell me these extensive countries you mean that 'host' you???
Countries like UK, Germany, Canada?
How many other countries did YOU invade under a false and illegal guise?
How many countries have you invaded where you played puppet master and created a civil war situation?
I don't know a single Iraqi who today, is thankful to the American and UK forces for what has happend.
Bottom line, you cannot change cultures in 3 years, the Iraqis who thought it 'may' work at the beginning were grasping at straws, I predicted this situation would occur as far back as 5 years ago
I'm not going to be a hypocript and wish everyone a Happy New New, tomorrow, dozens of families in Iraq will be mourning yet more deaths... out of respect I refuse to be dragged into stupidity
Maybe in 2008 we can think about peace to all men, but until the illegal occupation is terminated, all I see is madness and killing
Annie, have a great time on your travels
Treasure, keep your chin up mate, Iraq needs you. You are a very brave and respected young man, even by your friends and family you have in Iraq and worldwide
Anyway it is New Year, and on behalf of Saad and myself, the message has to be
GET THE FOOK OUT OF IRAQ UNWANTED ALLYS, THANKS, BUT NO THANKS
For new readers to this blog, I support our troops, they are pawns in this stupidity, and wish they stay safe and well, and comment their bravery - And strange as it may sound, I'm an ex gulf vet myself from the first time around
If you are a follower of Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, Confucianism, Christianity, Judaism, etc etc say a prayer to our lads out in Iraq, and most of all the poor victims of Iraq and around the World tonight, as you (or the majority of you reading this) stuff your faces and get drunk for the second time in a week
Steve
cile
Must start off by saying what a wonderful country Holland is
I Was based on the Dutch border for 2-3 years in the 80's near Roermond, and have since been a guest in Eindhoven and enjoy travelling to Amsterdam on the Ferry from Newcastle with my family
Thanks for the link about PTSD
This is going to become a massive problem in the years to come
It is my belief that a close friend of Treasures has it - Ahmed who I hope to help myself one day if he will allow
Those that don't have it will be suffering from depression and stress related illnesses, and as this post shows, massive dosages of guilt
Marshmellows words in this post possibly mean more than 100000 I could write as she is a typical one he feels he is letting down by being out of the War Zone
Treasures job is to keep writing
He has now found himself as one of the frontline bloggers that post regular, and is a reliable source for information, and a decent chap
I heard him on an interview on BBC World news 2-3 weeks ago and was proud to be able to call him a friend
Kind regards
Steve
Thanks for your words of support my friend.
I hope we will all manage to get out of this nightmare somehow sometime in the "future"!!
To ToB, thanks for having offered us a decent & more important, -unlike Zeyad's- a clean & decent environment to write & exchange ideas, info & knowledge.
To cile, hi & hello. Good to 'hear' from u again. Did u get my christmas emails last week?
Happy New Year to all
(& with a sour heart-to my coutrymen all over the world)
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Saad
Steve & Saad: so we agree an extended US occupation in Iraq would not work? 110% of the Iraqis could be against it, and it would still be the only reason it's a bad idea.
Steve, what were you doing in the Netherlands? Did the Dutch Resistance give you much grief?
I have a rundown on IBC about the Iraqi bloggers who have weighed in on Saddam's execution so far. I'll add to it as we go.
Hi Rhus. g'day to you again !
QUOTE
Steve, what were you doing in the Netherlands? Did the Dutch Resistance give you much grief?
UNQUOTE
I said I was on the 'Dutch Border
Near Roermond', which is smack bang on the border with Germany (where I was based)
I was at a base called RAF Bruggen
That was my first encounter with nearly being blown up myself when the IRA targeted the British Military and killed some of my colleagues in the very liberal Dutch town of Roermond
Nothing against the Germans, but the Dutch were super cool people who all spoke English, and we got a better rate of exchange, plus the women were very nice and didn't have hairy armpits !
We had an excellent Golf Course at Bruggen, and it was the only time in my life where I hit a Tee shot out of bounds into another country !
Wee bit off subject, but Treasures not going to complain on this New Years Eve
Regards
Steve
110% of the Iraqis could be against it, and it would still be the only reason it's a bad idea
do you ever get the itchies from those blinders?
rejuvenate
in solidarity
Hi Steve!
I didn't know the IRA operated outside the Isles.
"it was the only time in my life where I hit a Tee shot out of bounds into another country !"
That's a heckuva shot! We've signed our four-year-old up for the "Itty Bitty Open" in a few weeks. This is where some local pros teach the kids golf (the phrase "trying to herd cats" comes to mind) and then they play a round. Should be fun!
Happy New Year everyone!
فدوة ل الله ...حتى دموع امنا النخلة عطاء ... كل عام وانت بالف خير وسنة جديدة سعيدة واقل حزنا اذا امكن ...وشعور بالذنب في حدوده الدنيا ...ما عدنا غير شي امام بكاء النخيل
Hi Rhus, fingers crossed for a good new year ;=)
I've mentioned the IRA (PIRA) a couple of times in previous posts, and compared how they operated to what has happend/ happening in Iraq
Some suprising comparrisons can be drawn, the longer article can be read here (lets see if I can do a link on blogger for the first time)
What struck me from this link was the sentence that read
QUOTE
Initially, the British Army, deployed into Northern Ireland in August 1969, was welcomed in Catholic nationalist areas as a neutral force compared to the Protestant unionist-dominated Northern Ireland security forces, but this perception did not last.
UNQUOTE
Now tell me what that could be compared to?
Bloody Sunday in 1972 was a heavy handed disaster that kicked the whole situation off
That for me was when the PIRA was born
They went for targets that would make media headlines
soft targets such as bombs in shops, streets, malls killing children and civilians
royal targets such as the murder of Prince Charles's favourite Uncle 'Lord Mountbatten'
Military targets, in Ireland, UK and overseas - Many servicemen were murdered in Northern Ireland, Hyde Park in London was high impact, and Royal Marines at Deal
Add to that Car Bombs and shootings in Holland and Germany over many years, even venturing down to Gibralta - Just a very brief outline of the terror and fear that the PIRA created
Secterian Violence occured between Protostants and Catholics, which even spilled over at some sports events - again you can compare this to the Shi'ites and Sunni situation
Politicians were not immune as Downing street, a Party conference at brighton were attacked and bombed. MP's being murdered
in cold blood
They even kidnapped a bloody top Race Horse !!
All they wanted over the years was a United Ireland and the British Troops out (again see the comparrison here?)
Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom, the PIRA wanted its own Ireland that would include Southern Ireland
The majority Protistants are very happy on the whole to be part of the UK
Thankfully, after nearly 30 years of terrorism we seem to be almost close to a compromise
It was a very ugly situation to be involved in, I was based in Belfast in 1994 and it was one of the scariest experiences of my life, not knowing if I was going to be shot or blown up at any time
Again, you can compare this to how your average Iraqi is feeling now on a daily basis, and my experiences were nothing compared to what they are going through
As for Germany in the 80's, on my arrival, I was issued with a mirror on a stick (about 4 foot long) which had a torch attached to the top to shine down onto the mirror
This was to check for bombs planted under my car
Another interesting IRA fact, they NEVER once targeted Scotland, it was a common belief that they had a lot of support from Cells here
I just wish we lived in a world where we could all get on regardless of creed, religion or colour
Peace to all
Regards
Steve
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_IRA_campaign_1969-1997
Pah, I need the idiots guide to HTML tags and posts !
link above I was referrring to
Cheers
Steve
[Steve C. of the Golf things..]" Secterian Violence occured between Protostants and Catholics, which even spilled over at some sports events - again you can compare this to the Shi'ites and Sunni situation."
Hi Steve,
I would like to add s.th. here concerning the comparison Sunni/Shia & Protestant/ Catholic thing u mentioned above.
Ireland was a Catholic land throughout its history. The Protestants were transported by the British from Scotland in the 18th or 19th centuries i don't know when exactly. The reason was to guarantee the control of that strategic piece of land (Ireland).
So here was created the origines not only of a religious divide, but of an ethnic one also.
These were one of the roots of the conflict. The British occupation in N-Ir. was a settlement occupation.
As for Sunna/Shia differences in Iraq, they r Arabs first of all. Arabs settled in Iraq since something like more than 2000 years ago. As for the sectarian differences, that came following political problems 1400 years ago. These no longer exist save in the minds of some minority groups chosen by the occupiers to start a procedure of guaranteeing the remaining of foreign troops in the country & whose movements r exagerated out of size by western media like CNN & the like for the same reason.
On the form it looks like having some similarities btw Ireland & Iraq. But these similarities stop here.
I hope to have helped clarify somethings here.
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Saad
Dear Karim! You are great. Iraq is so proud of you. I hope the day when we all go back and enjoy our lovely country which no country loved us and embarced us like it.
Bests.
Steve: "They went for targets that would make media headlines
soft targets such as bombs in shops, streets, malls killing children and civilians"
So it goes. Terrorists make war on the innocent for media consumption on the wider stage of international and domestic opinion... which results somehow in sympathy for whatever "cause" they use to justify their acts. It'll continue as long as it's effective; there's no end in sight.
Thanks for the link & the education.
Speaking of links, a quick tutorial:
If you want to make a link, you would set it up like this:
[a href="http://www.thewebsite.com"]the name of your link[/a]
substitute < and > for [ and ]
So, for your PIRA article:
[a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_IRA_campaign_1969-1997"]PIRA Campaign[/a]
When you substitute the <> in there, it shows up as:
PIRA Campaign
Steve,
I was at Cambridge when the Provies tried to take out Thatcher (I assume it was the Provies). Because of the bombing campaign of the previous summer, I was actually a bit leery about going into London for weekend jaunts.
Now I have a brother-in-law whose cousins are in jail in N. Ireland because of IRA involvement. It's a strange world. But he is adamantly opposed to the Iraq war precisely because he grew up with sectarian violence in Belfast. He knows first hand what hell is wrought. He was just fortunate in that he took another path than the majority of his family.
Cheers
A lot has been said and written...You touched me deep in my heart...all i can say is that i feel for you and your people.
my prayers for you and them for a much brighter, better and safter future.
Dear Summer,
Thanks a million for your nice words! You have a great peaceful and nice heart. My God bless you!
Saddam Hussein deserves no one’s pity. But as anyone who has seen the graphic cellphone video of his hanging can testify, his execution bore little resemblance to dispassionate, state-administered justice. The condemned dictator appeared to have been delivered from United States military custody into the hands of a Shiite lynch mob.
The above is from a NYTimes editorial. My feelings are exactly the same.
Edo River rising
Anonymous 12/28/2006 11:50 PM said Cheney donated 85% of his income?
Read on or see link:
http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2006/04/kirsch_cheney_t.html
Michael Kirsch (Notre Dame) points out an interesting aspect of the Vice-President's 2005 tax return:
It appears that the VP is a major beneficiary of the Hurricane Katrina tax relief act. In particular, he claimed $6.8 million of charitable deductions, which is 77% of his AGI -- well in excess of the 50% limitation that would have applied absent the Katrina legislation. The press release indicates that the charitable contribution reflects the amount of net proceeds from an independent administrator's exercise of the VP's Halliburton options -- apparently, the VP had agreed back in 2001 that he would donate the net proceeds from the options to charities once they were exercised.
The press release seems to confirm, at least implicitly, the VP's efforts to take advantage of the Katrina legislation -- it mentions that the Cheneys wrote a personal check of $2.3 million to the administrator in December in order to "maximize the charitable gifts in 2005." Admittedly, I don't know anything about the transactions beyond the info in the press release, but my gut reaction is that the personal check was given in order to make sure the independent administrator had sufficient liquid assets to pay all of the promised charitable contributions before the 50% limit returned on 1/1/06.
Despite the importance of the Katrina legislation to his tax return, it looks like none of the charitable contributions actually went to Katrina-related charities (the press release lists the 3 charitable recipients, all of which were designated in the original 2001 gift agreement). While there's nothing inappropriate about that from a legal perspective, it does demonstrate how the legislation, which was sold to the public as providing relief to Katrina victims, provided significant tax benefits to the VP (and potentially other wealthy individuals) in situations that have nothing to do with Hurricane Katrina.
Rhus said,"On the one hand I wish we could take the timing of a withdrawal off the table, and even support long-term bases. That has worked just fine for Germany, England, Japan, S. Korea, and dozens of other countries. But I know that won't work in Iraq. Maybe Kurdistan, but not the rest anyway. So we aren't going to be there forever. We just need to be there until your gov't can stand on its own."
Newsweek,"There is ample evidence elsewhere of America's long-term plans. The new $592 million U.S. Embassy being built at the heart of Baghdad's "international zone" is "massive ... the largest embassy to date," says Maj. Gen. Chuck Williams, head of the State Department's Overseas Building Operations office."
"Life on the emerging Iraqi superbases is safer and easier than elsewhere in the country. Though soldiers and airmen at Balad jokingly call it "Mortaritaville," no one's been hit since January. And compared to the muddy, Porta Potti unpleasantness U.S. servicemen endure out at approximately 75 small "forward operating bases," Balad is shaping up to resemble a warrior's country club. A new rec hall is being built, and there is a 24/7 cybercafé, a premium coffee shop (Green Beans, known as the soldier's Starbucks worldwide), an indoor mini-golf course and a movie theater. There is an outdoor and an indoor pool left over from Uday Hussein's days training Iraqi Olympians here, but few remaining signs of the Hussein family, or indeed of anything Iraqi at all: to get to the big pool you head down Texas Avenue, around Victory Loop past David Letterman Boulevard and then down Balad's main drag, called Pennsylvania Avenue."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12441799/site/newsweek/
1) Japanese TV had a long program on the "-stans", in particular Turkministan (or was it Tajikistan?) anyway one of the poorest, and seems from conditions there, its getting ready to blow possibly in 07 Afgan style.
2) I am really worried about the US base buildup described about Balal...the US can't remain there! but I don't see the monkey getting its hand out of the bottle (Iraq) with such a shiny piece (Balal base) of metal being left behind.
Edo River risingt
Anon/Newsweek: "There is ample evidence elsewhere of America's long-term plans. The new $592 million U.S. Embassy being built... the largest embassy to date"
The US has dozens of foreign embassies on our soil. Dozens of Us embassies are on foreign soil. Why is an embassy a problem? International relations are usually thought of as a good thing. Is it the size of it that's the problem? Well, how much smaller would it have to be for it to be OK?
Anon/Newsweek: ""Life on the emerging Iraqi superbases is safer and easier than elsewhere in the country. ... And compared to the muddy, Porta Potti unpleasantness U.S. servicemen endure out at approximately 75 small "forward operating bases," Balad is shaping up to resemble a warrior's country club."
The size is the problem again? But insurgents are attacking the muddy FOBs too. If the MNF lived in pup tents and cardboard boxes everything would be OK? Why don't I believe that?
OK, here, for example:
"The new, sturdier buildings will give the bases a more permanent character, the officers acknowledged. But they said the consolidation plan was not meant to establish a permanent U.S. military presence in Iraq.
Instead, they said, it is part of a withdrawal expected to occur in phases, with Iraqi forces gradually taking over many of the bases inhabited by U.S. and other foreign troops. Eventually, U.S. units would end up concentrated at the four heavily fortified, strategically located hubs, enabling them to provide continued logistical support and emergency combat assistance, the officers said.
...
The officers said a master plan for the positioning of U.S. forces in the Middle East, maintained by U.S. Central Command, did not envision keeping U.S. forces in Iraq permanently. Instead, it calls for what one Army colonel here described as "strategic overwatch" from bases in Kuwait, meaning U.S. forces there would be near enough to respond to events in Iraq if necessary.
...
Already this year, U.S. forces have vacated 13 bases, turning most of them over to Iraqi military or police units in the Baghdad area and shifting the U.S. troops to other locations."
etc.
The size is the problem again?
rhus, you ask a question, answer it yourself, then argue it. that is called a strawman.
100 acres is not an embassy, it is a fort. the 'soveriegn government' of iraq operates out of this fort which in itself is not strange because the US is a controlling influence and the soveriegnty is a joke.
so go ahead and debate your stupid strawman. it's not the siye dummy, its the function. can you imagine if the white house was located in a foriegn embassy?
Mossad Annie: "rhus, you ask a question, answer it yourself, then argue it. that is called a strawman."
Actually, I asked a question about "size" being a concern, pointed out a fact that contradicts the hangup about "Size", and then asked two more followup questions. You called this a "strawman" (Mossad Technical Diversionary Tactic Number 37, chapter 12, paragraph C), then you restated your hangup with the size of the 100 acre embassy/fort.
Another followup: if the embassy were only forty acres, would you be Ok with it?
100 acres is not an embassy, it is a fort. the 'soveriegn government' of iraq operates out of this fort which in itself is not strange because the US is a controlling influence and the soveriegnty is a joke.
'then you restated your hangup with the size of the 100 acre embassy/fort.'
i restated nothing. my post was the first comment i made on this topic on this thread. there is nothing in it that defines my issue w/the green zones size. size is irrelevant to the function it serves which is to CONTAIN the acting government of iraq, which is NOT a function of an embassy. it is interesting that you now use the term fort as part of your definition for the green zone. yes, the iraqi gov could not exist without the support of its masters.
"Actually, I asked a question about "size" being a concern, pointed out a fact that contradicts the hangup about "Size", and then asked two more followup questions."
nice try but not quite. what you did was refer to FOB'S which ARE NOT the same as embassys, not at all.
"forward operating bases," Balad is shaping up to resemble a warrior's country club."
then you say, size again? i would imagine posters are becoming familiar w/the lilypad nature of american intervention and how we are establishing operating bases around the world. the green zone operates as one of these bases and is permanent, has always meant to be permanent, hence the title 'embassy'. but everyone one knows it is so much more than that, come on, we're not stupid. how about china invading, enclosing the entire mall in DC including the senate and WH and calling it an embassy!, then proceed to blather on about the critics complaining of the size as all the important positions are filled w/their puppets.
fort, forward operating base, lillypad, ok but don't call it an embassy.
from rhus link
Most of the property that U.S. forces occupied after they invaded had belonged to the Iraqi government and was used by the former army and other security services.
lets be clear, the fortified big 82 billion (new $$ not the old) we are spending on bases we are not turning over
U.S. forces have vacated 13 bases, turning most of them over to Iraqi military or police units
yeah, we are vacating some of the the former IA bases. this whole silly line about building new bases to prepare to leave is a joke only a gullible idiot would believe. the same kind of idiot who thinks escalation means withdrawl.
Mossad Annie:
* You used the term "fort" and I picked it up to mock you. Extra funny that you attribute it to me, and use it to mock...
* The new US embassy in Baghdad is not going to house the Iraqi government (details).
* Anon @ 1/04/2007 10:59 AM wrote about the "size" of the Balad air base and the embassy. Of course Balad is not a FOB, but since the latter is attacked regularly the issue of base or embassy "size" should not matter. Or should it?
I disagree a bit here. I think size actually matters. Consider the case if the US drew the embassy line along the iraqi border so that all of Iraq ended up in the embassy. That would obviously be quite accurate reflection of the power relations between the US and the iraqi government, but I think (and hope) everyone would see some problems with it.
But the main issue is of course about power. As the US has the current iraqi government under its thumb, their is no sovereign iraqi government that can set limits to US demands, wheter it is about the size of an embassy or anything else.
(And thanks Baghdad treasure for a great blog)
Anon: "I think size actually matters. Consider the case if the US drew the embassy line along the iraqi border so that all of Iraq ended up in the embassy."
OK, that would be a problem. I don't know where the line is, then, but I don't think 100 acres crosses it.
Anon: "But the main issue is of course about power. As the US has the current iraqi government under its thumb, their is no sovereign iraqi government that can set limits to US demands, wheter it is about the size of an embassy or anything else."
But the US doesn't have the Iraqi gov't under our thumb. If we did, al-Sadr would have been eliminated in '04, or again in '06, and Fallujah 1 would have been completed. There are other non-military examples too, such as the Iraqi pressuring the US to accelerate elections and so forth.
rhus "* The new US embassy in Baghdad is not going to house the Iraqi government "
what? it is presently housing the puppet government. what it is 'going 'to do is a pipe dream. i am not interested in your bs abiout what is coming doen the road. the green yone is not functioning as an embassy, not in any conventional sense of the word.
sorry about the typos, i am working on an unfamiliar european keyboard.
rhus "I don't know where the line is, then, but I don't think 100 acres crosses it."
really? so apparently you have no problem w/ the jump from a building or compound to 100 (outrageous) acres but the entire country of iraq is too much. instead of us telling you, why don't tell us what is too much. 1000 acres in the heart of baghdad? OK, why don't you tell us what country would/could warrant 100 in dc?? hey what country would offer 100 aces in their capital city.
Me: "The new US embassy in Baghdad is not going to house the Iraqi government "
Mossad Annie: "what? it is presently housing the puppet government. "
I was talking about the embassy under construction, not the Green Zone.
100 acres is big, sure. But don't worry Mossad Annie, your heroes can still reach it with plenty of indirect-fire weapons. Maybe it'll be harder to carbomb at that size, so I can understand some frustration there.
hey what country would offer 100 aces in their capital city.
Rhus:blather blather namecalling stupid hypothetical evasive accusatory as usual bs
annie: hey what country would offer 100 aces in their capital city?
Mossad Annie: "hey what country would offer 100 aces in their capital city?"
Iraq
iraq? only if the groom in a gunshot wedding could be considered 'offering' his hand in marriage. we hardly needed an invasion w/an 'offer' now did we?
OK, why don't you tell us what country would/could warrant 100 in dc??
since you were so adapt at demonsrtating your twisted logic in the last question lets see how you do on the other. if nothing else you will be able to use your name calling expertise again.
iraq? only if the groom in a gunshot wedding could be considered 'offering' his hand in marriage. we hardly needed an invasion w/an 'offer' now did we?
OK, why don't you tell us what country would/could warrant 100 in dc??
since you were so adapt at demonsrtating your twisted logic in the last question lets see how you do on the other. if nothing else you will be able to use your name calling expertise again.
There are other non-military examples too, such as the Iraqi pressuring the US to accelerate elections and so forth.
why would the iraqis feel the need to pressure the US to accelerate elections? oh right, they can't do whatever they want w/out permission from their masters.
U.S. forces have vacated 13 bases, turning most of them over to Iraqi military or police units
i was reminded of your assertion when i viewed this dated map today. FOB's around baghdad. maybe those little mustard dots tagged as temporary were turned over.
embassy? LOL
ah baghdad. such hard times. i can't believe we are escalating this madness during these troubled times..
Mossad Annie: " OK, why don't you tell us what country would/could warrant 100 in dc??"
None. Emabssies in the US don't have special security needs, and they don't need to be self-contained.
Don't worry though, Mossad Annie, even at 100 acres your heroes will be able to hit it with mortars and rockets. It will be a somewhat difficult sniper shot at a few hundred meters, but nothing Jubasquatch can't handle. The only thing that'll be especially difficult is a car bombimg. Maybe your buddies in the resistance could use their unending ingenuity to build a trebuchet to lob car bombs over the fence? Where there's a will there's a way. Maybe you could send them some money to cover construction costs for a trebuchet. You know- for "peaceful" resistance purposes? Of course, they'd probably use the money to bomb another marketplace, but whatever.
Maybe you could send them some money to cover construction costs for a trebuchet
oh, now i'm not stupid enough to fall for your little trap. don't you know american citizens loose the basic right of even a trial or to hear evidence against them and all form of habeas corpus and can be held indefinitely and even excecuted by the excecutive branch w/out trial w/our new military commision act by sending money to 'terrorist' organizations?
you are really grasping at straws w/your explanations rhus.
Emabssies in the US don't have special security needs
lol, because we aren't invading ourselves! but i suppose if they did have security issues, say if china invaded, we would offer them 100's of acres to protect themselves from the US militias that wouldn't want them there. that makes sense in TWAT...R. (the world according to..)
then we would help them sweep sections of the city to 'cleanse' whole neighborhoods. oh yeah, because we are.. patriots.
sometimes i wonder what our truthie 24/7 rabid responders discuss around the cooler at work. hows life w/the trolls twat?
Me: "Emabssies in the US don't have special security needs"
Mossad Annie: "lol, because we aren't invading ourselves!"
Foreign embassies in the US! Sometimes I forget how slow I need to go with you!
"Emabssies in the US don't have special security needs"
and if they did? if china was invading us do you think we would offer them 100 acres to protect themselves? to protect the US traitors that support them? we are the global invaders, any country threatening us would have to protect their embassy here, they are our allies and do our bidding, so no, they have no need for 100 acres to protect themselves or house our government. it ceases to be an embassy when it ceases to perform functions of an embassy above all else. have you checked out the definition of embassy lately? this is not about the size, it is about the function. if we were invaded we would offer no embassy space, zilch, none. certainly not the white house.
Mossad Annie: "they have no need for 100 acres to protect themselves or house our government. it ceases to be an embassy when it ceases to perform functions of an embassy above all else."
It is still under construction. It hasn't begun to perform any functions yet, but since you have already decided what will happen in there why bother with definitions?
Speaking of embassies:
Russia says its embassy in Iraq raked with gunfire
And don't forget:
Baghdad blast kills 10 at Jordanian Embassy
2 Japan diplomats killed in Iraq, but no policy change
Five blasts target Australian Embassy, hospital, security forces
UN Envoy Killed In Baghdad Bomb Blast.
Your heroes have been "peacefully resisting" embassies and diplomats from many nations (and the UN) for a long time now. Busy busy busy!
Busy busy busy!
Iraqi officials said Thursday that multinational forces detained as many as six Iranians in an overnight raid on Tehran's diplomatic mission in the northern city of Irbil....
The forces stormed the Iranian mission at about 3 a.m., detaining the five staffers and confiscating computers and documents, two senior local Kurdish officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information....
A resident living near the mission said the foreign force used stun bombs in the raid and brought down an Iranian flag that was on the roof of the two-story yellow house.
"He put it far more bluntly when leaders of Congress visited the White House earlier on Wednesday. “I said to Maliki this has to work or you’re out,” the president told the Congressional leaders, according to two officials who were in the room."
and we are there by invitation? yeah, right
Report: Militarization of U.S. Embassies Arouses Suspicion
CONGRESS EMBASSIES AS COMMAND POSTS IN THE ANTI-TERROR CAMPAIGN
"There is evidence that some host countries are questioning
the increasingly military component of America's
profile overseas. Some foreign officials question what
appears to them as a new emphasis by the United States
on military approaches to problems that are not seen as
lending themselves to military solutions. Host country
militaries clearly welcome increased professional
contact and interaction with the U.S. military.
However, some host countries have elements in both
government and general society who are highly
suspicious of potential American coercion. There is no
sense so far that foreign hosts believe the U.S.
military is dominating U.S. policy in-country, but if
such a perception were to gain hold, it would give
ammunition to U.S. adversaries. More importantly, it
would weaken the bilateral relationships that are
necessary to win the war against terror. Likewise, one
misstep or poorly calculated military or other
operation can significantly set back the full range of
U.S. counterterrorism efforts in an entire region."
Anon: "Host country
militaries clearly welcome increased professional
contact and interaction with the U.S. military.
However, some host countries have elements in both
government and general society who are highly
suspicious of potential American coercion. There is no
sense so far that foreign hosts believe the U.S.
military is dominating U.S. policy in-country, but if
such a perception were to gain hold, it would give
ammunition to U.S. adversaries."
So, I wonder if you would allow me to take the logical leap that U.S. Adversaries have a vested interest in generating suspicious perceptions regarding our embassies? Would you permit me to infer this from your article?
There is no sense so far that foreign hosts believe the U.S. military is dominating U.S. policy in-country
Who could imagine that?
"US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has said that Iraqi PM Nouri Maliki is living "on borrowed time",
Borrowed from whom?
Senior Iraqi officials said Wednesday that Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, under pressure from the U.S., has agreed to crack down on the fighters even though they are loyal to his most powerful political ally,
....
Bush warned that the U.S. expected al-Maliki to keep those promises.
Bush said “If the Iraqi government does not follow through on its promises, it will lose the support of the American people and it will lose the support of the Iraqi people.”
Either way they won't loose the troops! or the 'Embassy'.
I wonder if you would allow me to take the logical leap that U.S. Adversaries have a vested interest in generating suspicious perceptions regarding our embassies?
I'll allow that its a leap, tho not a logical one. The report seems fairly thorough. One hardly needs to generate suspicions regarding evens any rational person could deduct on ones own.
Would you permit me to infer this from your article?
As opposed to or over and above the findings of the congressional panel?
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