It was a sunny, cool, and beautiful day till the bad news was spread in allover the country. "One of the most revered shrines in Shiite Islam was bombed early this morning, causing the collapse of its dome," I heard the anchor saying on radio saw while I was going back to the office after a short assignment. Here is news again. I did not expect that this time it is not a mere explosion. It was worse than that. When I returned back to the office, I started working on gathering the information and then my bureau chief assigned me to write the story to the web. 
The first footage I saw was shown on the CNN taken from a local Iraqi channel, Al-Masar. I was shocked by the fact that a huge part of the shrines of Imam Ali al-Hadi and his son Hasan al-Askari were damaged by the bombs. Iron bars poking into the sky were all that was left. I did not have a good feeling and thought this might be the spark unless Iraqis understand that this is what their enemies really want. "I hope they don't reach their goals," I said within myself of the terrorists act. But I was wrong. What happened was not so much expected until the Shiite Marjiya [religious authorities], the Sunni clergymen and politicians, and the educated people showed up on TV and radio stations. They called on Iraqis to be aware of the danger and to have self control. However, attacks against Sunnis have already started. Just in Baghdad, at least 27 Sunni mosques and an office for the Iraqi Islamic Party were attacked by gunmen after the bomb blast in Samarra. Police told Reuters that one mosque was completely burnt while others were attacked with small-arms fire and rocket propelled grenades. Three clerics and three bodyguards were killed, and another cleric was kidnapped, according to interior ministry sources. In Diwaniya, (110 miles) south of Baghdad, clashes erupted after militiamen loyal to Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr attacked the houses of Arab Sunnis. One of Sadr's men was killed, a member of the Diwaniya provincial council told Reuters. Southwards, in Basra, gunmen attacked a Sunni mosque with rocket propelled grenades and the local police said shootouts erupted between Sadr's militiamen and members of the Iraqi Islamic Party in the city.
Iraq's failure Shiite Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jafari announced a three-day mourning in a televised appearance. "I call on my people to express their condemnation," Jafari said. He asked Iraqis to "close the door to all those who are fishing in the troubled water." Huh! Oh really?! Good morning Dr. Jafari! I am glad you woke up.
I decided to go back home early and work from there. I expected most of the streets to be blocked by the security forces. I made my driver take me in an armored car this time. I hate to use it but I had to. It was the sunset time. Most Iraqis usually seize the opportunity that it is not too late, so they hang out for shopping and having some fun. Today, Baghdad looked like the city of ghosts. All the way back home, I saw few cars and all were speeding to avoid any danger might happen. It was scary, specially it wasn't fully dark.
And now, I am sad to see a country suffered from tyranny will suffer from a civil war. I am afraid that we'll have the same fate of Lebanon. I don't know if this civil strife will stop or continue. Even under dictatorship and tyranny, we have not gone through such a day. It is hard to see this beautiful and ancient country destroyed. It seems what the Americans have done was not enough. Iraqis should suffer, be killed, watch themselves humiliated, and kill each other just because America wants to remove Saddam from its way to make the world safer. Or let's say to make America safer and hell be with the non-Americans as some of them say. Let the whole world be happy and "safe" now because Iraq's "liberation" made it safe for them, but unfortunately made it a hell for Iraqis.
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I may be wrong but I think that the US organised the destruction of the shrine at Samarra. America wants to keep Iraqis busy, while they consolidate their Green Zone and their huge new military bases in Iraq.
7abibi Baghdad Treasure,
All of Iraq is a treasure and this is the American plan finally unfolding.
We are being pushed and pulled closer and closer into a civil war by elements that are clearly foreign. No Iraqi would abide by such crimes. No Iraqi would seek to tear the social fabric of our country.
This is yet another outrage. Pretty soon, nothing of our national, historic, religious and ancient heritage will be left standing.
The timing is nefarious - just as US pressure on Ibrahim Jaafary mounts, more death squads are revealed, Muqtada Sadr calls for annulling the constitution, and Iran calls on the UK to withdraw from southern Iraq.
This chaos has reached the point of utter incomprehension.
Truth About Iraq:
I disagree. After Saddam was removed, George W. Bush asked Iraqis to create a new Iraq. Bush asked Iraqs to create an Iraq that is peaceful, democratic, pluralistic, honest, open, multi-sectatarian, and respect human rights. The Iraqis (so far) have failed to comply with George W. Bush's modest request.
Instead, Iraqis are trying to kill each other, kill foreignors, kill American soldiers, and kill coalition soldiers.
If you Iraqis could simply do what George W. Bush asked, then you would not have this problem.
Let us not forget that this strategy of creating sectarian conflict has always been a part of Zaraqawi's plan. He said so in his document.
The thing that worried Zarqawi the most was democracy, self-government, and police/secuirty forces that are made up of local people with a commitment to a proper, modern society.
Original Jeff. Are you serious? Didn't you ask me on another blog about issues related to this and I told you Iraq could have moved forward had the US not imposed its exile allies (many of whom were unknown to the Iraqi people) from the outside?
Did I not tell you that Iraq's technocracy and academics were not only sidelined in the formation of a new Iraq but assassinated?
Did I not tell you that the very people who could have rebuilt Iraq with their own flesh and blood - were targeted by the Americans?
You go around asking Iraqis about their thoughts on how to move forward and then dismiss everything they say in favor of tripe repeated to you which you are then ordered to repeat to others.
Come on man, show some dignity. Why bother asking Iraqis about their own country when you already have the answers?
Iraqis begged George Bush, the manic manipulator and fabricator of facts, not to form the Iraq Governing Council based on sectarian divisions. This was in the summer of 2003.
I and others - many within the country and out - said that such a formula would be a recipe for civil war in the years to come.
We said militia could not be allowed to run security in the country. We said that when the Peshmerga insisted to hold on to their militia. We said that when the Badr and Sadr refused to disband their militia.
Did your George Bush listen? Did any American official? Or was that because the Bush administration was comprised of Ubermenschen?
YOU have never lived in Iraq. WE HAVE. You refuse to learn Arabic - our language - because you really don't care about our future. All you really want is not have America's military soiled by its abuse of power and violation of a flurry of Geneva conventions and international treaties on human rights.
All you care is maintain you are still right.
Sorry, you are pitifully wrong.
And you dare to come here and blame the chaos on Iraqis? After you devastated every facet of our economy for 13 years with sanctions and then with aerial bombardments?
Where was George Bush when our schools and hospitals were looted?
The US military brought Zarqawi with it. The sectarian strife fits the US plan because it means US forces must stay in Iraq indefinitely, build bases and launch wars in the region.
Please, do not insult us by dictating you know more than us about OUR country, OUR people, OUR problems, OUR successes, and OUR failures.
Have you not read what is on this blog? Even Iraqis who dared to hope that liberty and democracy were in sight for Iraq now realize it was all a fabrication.
You could not even bear to utter one word of compassion or one word of understanding regarding what is happening in OUR country to OUR brethren and our futures.
If you care to talk about Iraq so much, I would suggest you learn some Arabic.
Maybe it will enlighten you.
Sadly, TRUTH is wrong, wrong, wrong.
As the insurgency built, many Iraqis blamed everyone else except Iraqis and the whole world warned you that unless the insurgency was destroyed, it would destroy Iraq.
Now it is coming true. The Insurgency along with Islamo Facist are destroying your country and you STILL cannot see it. You will blame everyone else.
Jeff is correct when he says that if you all just got along, had elections, and focused on your economy and the future of your children everything would have worked out. Instead, too many turned away as the insurgency killed more and more people... and now civil war looms... very, very sad.
truth about iraqis you maybe right. knowing to what level the usa will go to the further their version of democracy across the world, this wouldn`t surprize me. many of us here knew that this was might happen and were hoping it wouldn`t...maybe it won`t.
each day here in the usa there is another outrage from the republican lead government and the iraqi war is no longer getting the press and it is slowly going away in the minds of americans. the only ones who care anymore are the loved ones who attend the funerals.
i wish i had something positive to say about what is going on in your country and mine but i`m not sure i can. the future is in your hands and your fellow citizens...just as yours is the the coming elections.
someday we will write about life instead of death...peace be with you
e85,
Of course I am wrong. I am Iraqi. How could I possibly know what is going in MY country? I need you and all the warmongers like you to come teach me about MY country.
Such arrogance is astounding.
Do you really believe the crap you espouse? Run along now...
e85, notice how you could not offer a single word of human compassion for what happened today.
Very, very telling.
RCHSOD - Thank you.
What a blessing it would be if my country Iraq were rid of war and strife.
How much we could all achieve!
If only we could get rid of the warmongers who celebrate the death of our children and relish the destruction of our homes.
Destroying the Mosque did not serve Amercan interests in any way. To understand the most likely scenario look to history. Anyone familiar with the German Reichstag fire? The Germans were forming a government in anticipation of choosing a Chancellor. The Nazis were far from assured that they would succeed in putting Hitler in that position. Suddenly, the Reichstag burns to the ground and Nazi brown shirts catch a retarded Dutchman with matches in one hand, a gas can in the other, and a communist party membership card in his pocket.
So, look to see who comes up with a retarded Danish American Sunni with cartoons of Mohhamed tattoed on his chest and a detonator in his hand (metaphorically speaking, of course—maybe). That will give you the likely perpetrator. (see the Tehran Times for the answer)Oh, wait a minute--that would implicate an Arabor / Iranian as being responsible for something that happened and we all know that is IMPOSSIBLE! Arab Muslim=Victim, repeat until no other thoughts may enter and procced down the long dark hall.
Truth About Iraq,
I realize now that this event may be Iraq's "9/11" in the way it strikes fear and worry of all people. I did not realize that before; I am sorry I was not more compassionate.
I do appreciate the responses you gave to me earlier, Truth. I did not say I would agree with your views--only that I wanted to hear them.
To be honest, I thought for a while you actually supported Saddam himself and the whole Baathist regime. Once you answered my questions, I understood you wanted internal change to achieve regular Jeffersonian democracy.
I do not believe America targetted Iraqis who believed in Iraq's democratic future. If it happened, it would be very wrong and counterproductive for you and for us.
You can read the ambassador's word, but I can tell you that America wants Iraqis to have a broad-based government that is representative of all people. The government needs to have people from "all walks of life."
I disagree with your statement that "this is the American plan finally unfolding." I take this to mean that you feel the USA wants a civil war in Iraq. I strongly disagree! The USA wanted--and asked the Iraqis to create--that model Jeffersonian democracy you and I both want.
Heck, our pre-invasion military plans projected force levels to drop down to 35,000 by Fall 2003!
We sure thought you guys would be highly competent at building a Jefferson democracy. We were really wrong, and I am sad, and I know you are too (but just too proud to admit it--that Iraqi pride/humiliation thing again).
Original Jeff,
1. Don't speak on my behalf - I grieve for what the gross ignorance, arrogance and mismanagement of US authorities in Iraq did to my country.
2. It is Iraqi pride and humility you will never comprehend. Which is why it will drive the US out. Whether it be today, tomorrow, or 400 years from now.
3. Our 9-11 as you put it occured between 1991 and 2003. And then again in 2003. And again. And again.
As long as US forces sow their discord in Iraq, we live and breathe the tragedy of 9-11 over and over.
You just don't get it.
ROTFL at this!
Original Jeff says: After Saddam was removed, George W. Bush asked Iraqis to create a new Iraq. Bush asked Iraqs to create an Iraq that is peaceful, democratic, pluralistic, honest, open, multi-sectatarian, and respect human rights. The Iraqis (so far) have failed to comply with George W. Bush's modest request.
Iraq is like an alcoholic. It will go over the edge to recover. So fasten your seatbelt.
Have you any idea what France went through when we liberated them from the Germans?
Just about every town that had Railraods going through them we leveled. Why? To curtail Wehrmacht troop movement.
You guys still haven't understood that you, historically, have gotten off lucky. Have you any idea what we did to Monte Cassino? We turned it, and the mountain it was on, into a wasteland. And Monte Cassino dated back prior to Mohammad. But the German paratroops were up on that mountain, their position was a key fortress within the overall Gustav Line, and we had to take it. And we paid in blood for it, as did our British allies.
If the cost of freedom is too much for you, perhaps you should ponder where you have been for the last few centuries.
Freedom is the only out. And freedom isn't purchased by blogging, it isn't purchased by being disheartened by the destruction of valued buildings, which despite their religious significance, are still buildings.
What do you value more, buildings or a future and freedom?
Hard questions are being asked of you? You couldn't find it within you to evict Saddam and his pack of killers. I know that was brutal for you, and any attempt to overthrow Saddam meant blood, more blood than you were willing to pay.
Seems like you're suggesting that if the cost of freedom is tears, is blood, is pain, is grief, is suffering, then count you out.
Dude, have you any idea how much pain American families have known over GENERATIONS preserving our freedom, preserving our liberty, building our future?
What do you think it must have been like for the British, when London was getting leveled?
What makes you think that the toll of liberty is going to somehow NOT be asked of Iraqis.
If you want to be free, then be prepared to take up arms against any and all who would threaten it.
I'm looking to enlist, I'm looking to get in uniform and go to Iraq, to fight for you, to sweat for you, to do something I've never done, that is kill, and to kill for you, to give you a chance.
Courage becomes easier, you have it, don't become discouraged, nor demoralized, to each challenge, find the answer within you.
Hang tough.
And Truth about Iraqis, the whole world did indeed, have to enter into Hitler Germany, and actually inform the German people, what was really happening in Germany.
We had to inform them that their wonder weapons were overhyped, we had to inform them that their army was not invincible, we had to inform them that Hitler was a jerk, a murderous jerk, and a genocidal lunatic who would drag all of Germany on one grand, vast death or glory ride, before he was through. And we had to do the same to Italy.
Likewise, Japan. You see there, we had to inform the Japanese people that they too, weren't invincible, even though as they were taught, "2,000 years, and they had NEVER known defeat," not until they decided to take on the United States. Then we had to inform those people, who grew up in Japan, went to school in Japan, were Japanese, well you get the idea, those very same, we had to enlighten that Hirohito wasn't a God, wasn't a son of a God, and was just like all the rest of us, "formed in the image and likeness" by a common loving Father.
Just because you are there, doesn't mean nothing. It's probative, but not dispositive.
And that's not arrogance, just being historically grounded. So please don't acuse my country of being arrogant. We have a long track record of disabusing people of information that they previously "KNEW" to be the "truth."
Not to mention, we just got done disabusing the Soviets that they were the vanguard of history.
They weren't.
But if there are Iraqis who want to be rid of war and strife, they know the answer. Just find a local Dictator, and run off and throw yourself at his feet.
History is replete with people adopting that method. Weimar Germany was falling into chaos, torn between the Left and the Right. And they made their choice, and went off and worshiped Hitler as if he were a God.
Rome too, saw instances where some General was lionized as the savior du jour, but only later revealed himself to be a nightmare.
History is instructive.
I think it was Cicero who observed, "O man, how quick to servitude." And history loves to repeat itself.
Peace is not the absence of conflict, but the presence of justice. Under Sadam there were hundreds of thousands who suffered and died. This was not justice. Today there is war in Iraq, this is not Yet justice. Peace will not come until justice reigns. It seems that as terrorists kill and mame, the people cry for justice, but since the terrorists hide in darkness the people can not have justice on them, so they turn their anger to something more visible, the Americans, because their anger must go somewhere. Do not blame America, blame the Terrorists who kill in Iraq each day. If justice is to reign it must be the ones who cause the explosions. To misdirect their guilt to others is to bind justice, and therefore ultimately bind peace itself.
America had one purpose for going to Iraq. To free the Iraqi's from the years of murder, torture and inhumane treatment that had been going on under SH. It also wanted to prevent SH's sons from taking over and continuing these abominal acts. Doing this is not a science and there have been lessons to be learned in the process. BUT, the reasons have never changed and never will. The US is not barbaric and has tried to save as many lives as possible. We can all think of countries, who would not give a damn about the citizens and would have simply wiped you out. Regardless of what some of you are saying, American's are good, kind hearted and decent people, who do not want to see you suffer. Quite the contrary. The vast majority of us who were happy to see the Iraqi's gain their freedom, wished like hell war didn't have to be the way. But, we came to the realization that there was not other way for it to happen. I and many others have cried many tears. Not only for those Americans who have died and suffered during these trying times. But, also for the Iraqi's. There are many of us out here who spend many hours, watching, praying and hoping for peace to take over. We want to see the Iraqi's live a normal, happy and peaceful life. Not for some outlandish benefit for our country, but for YOURS!
Baghdad Treasure I wish all of us Iraqis and especially you and Iraqis inside Iraq all the strength to be able to go thru these days.
I fully believe that if all non Iraqis got out of Iraq things would be so much better.
Personally, I do not believe the destruction of this mosque was the work of Americans, Jews or Iraqi's. These enemies came from the outside to ensure the the Iraqi people will fail at their attempts for freedom, peace and eventually happiness. The only way to fight this type of foe is to not fight each other.
Nothing seems to indicate that it was the Americans who blew up the Golden Dome. But they may be partly responsible for the situation that made this heinous act possible. Some people in Iraq want to stir up mayhem at any price, it seems.
What has gone wrong is the way the so-called democratic process has been side-tracked from the beginning.
Democracy should not be imposed from outside but be of peoples own design and initiative. The democratic process has so far favoured two of the ethnic groups in the country at the cost of the third one. Of course, this brings ethnic strife.
Truth About Iraq:
2. It is Iraqi pride and humility you will never comprehend.
That "Iraqi pride thing" may prevent you from seeing your own faults. If you fail to see your own faults, you will never improve. You will be stuck in your miserable state forever!
Which is why it will drive the US out. Whether it be today, tomorrow, or 400 years from now.
The Coalition forces are not your problem. The USA has 40,000 soldiers in Japan, 60,000 in Germany, 35,000 in Korea, 40,000 (?) in Kuwait. We have 1.2 million soldiers in the USA. We do not have insurgencies going on in those countries. Therefore, the mere presence of US forces does not cause violence.
Moreover, if you want the US forces to leave, just get 50% of your parliament to agree to such a resolution. Or, actually, I believe we will begin to leave in large numbers this year no matter what. Americans are beginning to believe that you Iraqis may not be able to form a Jeffersonian democracy as we had hoped. (Though we are still trying.)
Rather than berating me for all the evils of the USA, it would be more productive if you could look inward and see what Iraqis need to change to repair yourselves. Could you write an essay on how Iraq must change? I would enjoy that. Please avoid your gratuitous insults of The West and America. These insults did not help you in the past and they will not help you in the future.
rchsod,
I hope you do all you can do to stop the madness of your administration. Take back your country!
As for what is happening in Iraq. I just have to look at how the U.S administration simply told lies and then saw to it that thousands of missiles and thousands of bombs fell on innocent Iraqis, and have a look at U.S history in South America all this is proof enough that that they are among the suspected in all terrorist attacks against Iraqis.
That is why I fully believe that Iraq would be less bad if we got a departure date of the occupation troops and until that date comes they keep out of the cities and inside 2 bases not more.
[Baghdad Treasure] “Was that mosque attacked before the US-led invasion? it is in the center of a very Sunni neighborhood. why didn't these Sunnis attack it before the war?!!!”
It has never made sense to me that Sunnis would attack Shias simply to provoke a civil war.
Even if we accept the American premise that the Resistance is primarily Sunni … how on earth would the Resistance benefit from stoking Shiite anger? Even if we go one step further and believe the US propaganda that there are sections of insurgents that hate Shiites – from a practical point of view it still makes no sense to attack Shias when Iraq is occupied and there is a stronger foe at hand already.
Why double your opposition?
Funny that as soon as the sectarian tensions start to die down a bit, as soon as the South Iraqis start to reject cooperation with the US and it seems that the country is moving closer to a united position on the occupier – that something like this happens. An attack on a highly revered shrine by UNKNOWN agents, agents which can handily be lumped together with ‘Sunnis’ by the US. Iraqi society is again split down the middle.
Now, who would stand to gain from such a thing?
Who stands to lose if Iraqis stop fearing each other?
Make your own conclusions …
[mark] “Y'know, the kind of people who think it's perfectly reasonable and rational to burn an Israeli flag when terrorists (most likely Arab Muslim terrorists, the usual kind) blow up a mosque in Iraq. Perfectly reasonable.”
Just as reasonable as you, Mark, who automatically thinks any random attack must be the work of ‘Arab Muslims’ and that terrorists are usually “Arab Muslims” … even when you have no more information than the flag-burners as to who perpetrated this attack.
Very reasonable, eh?
Hypocrite.
[o jeff] “Let us not forget that this strategy of creating sectarian conflict has always been a part of Zaraqawi's plan. He said so in his document.”
And let us not forget that there is considerable analysis pointing to the strong possibility that Zarqawi is dead, and that continued statements attributed to him could well be black psyops conducted by a third party. I mean, for a Jordanian hot-head with one leg he sure seems to get around a lot, and undetected too …
[TAI] “You go around asking Iraqis about their thoughts on how to move forward and then dismiss everything they say in favor of tripe repeated to you which you are then ordered to repeat to others. […] The US military brought Zarqawi with it.”
No! How can you be so mean to ‘original’ Jeff? Geez, one can’t even loot, destroy and burn another country without the natives getting into a tizz these days. What about his feelings? Seriously, sarcasm aside, your comment on Zarqawi is correct either way.
[E85 comm] “As the insurgency built, many Iraqis blamed everyone else except Iraqis and the whole world warned you that unless the insurgency was destroyed, it would destroy Iraq.”
Except for the small fact that the “insurgency” is primarily opposed to the US presence. And that Iraqis are opposed to the US presence. I refer you to these poll results:
PIPA Poll in Iraq - February 01st, 2006
“Asked what they would like the newly elected Iraqi government to ask the US-led forces to do, 70% of Iraqis favor setting a timeline for the withdrawal of US forces. […]Asked if it was a good idea for Iraqi leaders to have agreed at the Arab League conference that there should be a timetable for the withdrawal of US-led forces from Iraq, 87% say that it was […]Overall, 47% say they approve of “attacks on US-led forces”.”
So about 12 million Iraqis think it is a good idea to kill American troops, and about 17.5 million Iraqis want you out of their country regardless of the security situation. And YOU wonder why the Resistance enjoys such broad support? The insurgency is a manifestation of Iraqi anger, that’s the truth.
‘You’ warned Iraqis the ‘insurgents’ would destroy Iraq.
‘We’ warned Iraqis that America would destroy Iraq.
So, who STARTED this war, huh?
[b will derd] “Destroying the Mosque did not serve Amercan interests in any way.”
No, of course not. I mean, dividing Iraqis up along sectarian lines which can be set up against each other does not serve the invader in any way. Getting Sunni and Shia to kill each other instead of Americans does not serve the Occupier in any way. Funny that this happened just as the South Iraqi provinces started withdrawing cooperation with the Americans, isn’t it?
( As for Iran being involved … well, while I could imagine them sponsoring death squads against the Sunnis, I can’t imagine them sponsoring the destruction of the Askariya Shrine. Get real. )
[Dan M ] “Freedom is the only out. […] Seems like you're suggesting that if the cost of freedom is tears, is blood, is pain, is grief, is suffering, then count you out. […] What makes you think that the toll of liberty is going to somehow NOT be asked of Iraqis. If you want to be free, then be prepared to take up arms against any and all who would threaten it.”
It is more than clear that Iraqis have already taken up arms against those that threaten their freedom. And they are kicking your ass. Do you know that if the war stopped THIS INSTANT, that the US military would still have TWO YEARS of repairs to do on the vehicles that the Iraqi Resistance has damaged or destroyed? Fact.
[Dan M] “I'm looking to enlist, I'm looking to get in uniform and go to Iraq, to fight for you,”
Dan M, is it possible to be any more insulated from reality than you are? I was going to write something really sarcastic and snappy, but the earnest, naïve tone of your voice tells me it would be totally wasted on you. All I ask is for you to consider the numbers. One poll showed that 92% of Iraqis view you as an Occupier. The 2006 PIPA poll showed that 70% + of Iraqis want you out regardless of the security situation. It also showed that 47% of all Iraqis support attack on US troops.
You will not be fighting for freedom.
You will be fighting for slavery.
[Dan M] “we had to inform the Japanese people that they too, weren't invincible”
*Sigh* Basically, you are a knucklehead who needs pain to learn his lessons. Vietnam wasn’t enough, eh? I hope that the day America learns it too, is not ‘invincible’ - will not be as painful as Japan’s lesson.
Please ignore the comment to Mark. Wrong blog, sorry.
Bruno As for Iran being involved … well, while I could imagine them sponsoring death squads against the Sunnis, I can’t imagine them sponsoring the destruction of the Askariya Shrine. Get real. )
C'mon Bruno--you can do better than that! Who stands to benefit from continuing chaos and a failure of the democratic process? And if the democratic process is not completely derailed, who is certain to see their political position solidified by this act? Who benefits from the continued disruption of the flow of oil in Iraq and the premium built into the world oil price because of the unrest? You don't think the Mullahs in Iran are capable of such a thing? Are you nuts? I am certain they have a fatwa at the ready to not only make such a thing permissible--they are commanded to do such a thing! Bring on imam number 12!
They are literally surrounded from without and within their borders and the LAST thing they can afford is a democratic and prosperous Iraq. Chaos is their friend, especially since the Arab culture is incapable of taking responsibility for anything unpleasant and revels in the role of the martyred victim. I know you could see that if you would take off your hate-America tunnelvision goggles long enough to form a logical thought.
Guys,
All I can say is that I know very well that most American people are kind-hearted. My disagreement is with the US administration, not the people.
I think this administration, the foreign terrorist [Zarqawi and Al-Qaeda], and we Iraqis ourselves are responsible for this destruction.
Please pray for Iraq instead of cursing it. Please try to understand that Iraqis are peaceful and kind-hearted but the continuous suffering made them be hostile and fed up. You just cannot imagine how it looks like here. It is not a place to live in. believe me. Try to understand instead of fight. I can barely type. The misery of our world makes feel so sad and disappointed. I thought my beloved country would be one of the best. It seems I was dreaming and that its fate is to suffer over and over and never get rest.
I have no more to say. Continue fighting…
nadia..
we will try our best to at least take back the senate or house.
treaure of baghdad.. if anyone doubts how you feel about america hasn`t read your description of americans.
everyday there`s a new outrage-gitmo was ok`d by the top leadership in our government...
Oh look its CMAR, our favorite racist, anti-Iraqi, ethnocentric, xenophobe, Islamophobe who advocates the death and destruction of Iraq at any cost and supports civil war in the country.
Read any planted stories yet, bud?
Why are you at sixes and sevens over Baghdad Treasure?
Didn't you champion his blog a mere three weeks ago?
Oh, it's because he said something you and your warmongers didn't like, exposing the fact that a mere fraction of Iraqis really support your posts which have been rubber stamped by the DOD.
Yes, now I remember, because Baghdad Treasure - an Iraqi - was outraged at the video of British soldiers displaying their manhood on camera by beating the crap out of Iraqi kids.
Yes, how dare he speak. How dare any Iraqi complain about the American and British masters.
And now you are mad that one of your comments has been deleted? Doesn't your domesticated pet Jeffrey delete and ban people because neither you nor him can really debate the issues without spewing DOD-approved racist diatribe?
By the way, if you really love Iraqis and care for us so much, how are the Arabic lessons coming along?
Did you start reading the Quran yet?
By the way, as Baghdad Treasure and millions of Iraqis mourn what has become of our country, CMAR on his blog is calling it "fun" and the euphoria on his blog that Iraq is about to disintegrate is sickening.
Now you know where CMAR stands on the issues.
He doesn't care about Iraq. He only cares that the US military and the Bush dictatorship it serves are in the right.
CMAR is blaming the violence on Iraqis when it is US policies that have led to this.
In 1200 years the Shrine was left intact. Notice how only now it is destroyed.
Saddam could have destroyed it if he wanted to, no?
Millions of Shia and Sunni, and other Iraqis of all denominations, sect and religion are grieving at the loss of this shrine.
And we are all saddened, angry and want for our families to live in peace. Together. In harmony.
Hey BT,
I wrote a longer comment on 24's blog, and a blog post on my won blog, which I won't repeat in full here. Suffice to say, though, I think there will be some violence on the short term, but on the medium to long term, things could go two ways.
Whatever cockroaches perpetrated this attack are a true enemy of peace, and an enemy to all Iraqis (Sunni, Shia, Christian, etc.). This enemy doesn't care about Iraq, they just want to provoke a sectarian conflict.
It is possible that this attack mahy provoke a sectarian civil war, and if it does, these cockroaches will have achieved their goal. However, another possibility is that Sunni and Shia will come more to the realization that these cockroaches represent a common enemy and will start to act closer together to drive them out. Which of these scenarios comes to fruition will be for Iraqis to decide.
I think it's time we all take a step back and recognized just who the real enemy is.
Antarctica.
There-I've said it.
It's time we addressed the vast penguin conspiracy to keep the entire world fighting each other so that they can maintain their evil polar capped power scheme in place. Think about it. What Continent has the most to gain by keeping us all fighting each other? What's the only continent to never have a war? We know who the real enemy is here. It's those vile penguins. It's time we all unite, Americans, Iraqi's, Israeli's, Everyone...and invade that despotic land once and for all. They've held their monopoly on peace too long while the rest of the world knows only turmoil. Come brothers! Let us ride up and Invade Antarctica!
Bruno "As for Iran being involved … well, while I could imagine them sponsoring death squads against the Sunnis, I can’t imagine them sponsoring the destruction of the Askariya Shrine. Get real."
C'mon Bruno--you can do better than that! Who stands to benefit from continuing chaos and a failure of the democratic process? [...] They are literally surrounded from without and within their borders and the LAST thing they can afford is a democratic and prosperous Iraq.
Given that the 'Iranian aligned' parties in Iraq now hold the wingle largest bloc of power within Iraqi politics, it is quite obvious that Iran is the greatest beneficiary from Iraqi democracy. IRAN - not the US. Get that through your thick skull. Without firing a shot they will be able to achieve what Hussein denied them for so long. That is the single indisputable fact of this situation.
Your spin is weak and flaccid, Stryker aka derd.
Zarqawi and Al Qaeda love bruno. He works hard for them.
Keep it up bruno, you might get a raise.
Papa Ray
West Texas
USA
Treasure of Baghdad, you are in my thoughts. right now I am of to contact dad and hear if he have had any updates from our relatives in Iraq.
How I wish the news were things are calm, Iraqis are united!
All I have to say is that I am ashamed. People like Dan M truly showcase what is wrong with america. I mean, the gall!
Dan, we have invaded and destroyed another country and you have the nerve to call these people cowards?!!!
Dan, WTF?
Really
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